<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574</id><updated>2012-01-31T17:54:21.319+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Prostitution in the Netherlands</title><subtitle type='html'>This blog is about the quest of a John to find the 'voluntary prostitute' in the Netherlands. How does a client of prostitutes separate the forced from the voluntary ones? Is it possible? That turns out to be a very difficult question. My current believe is that prostitution can never be regulated and that it would be better if people don't visit prostitutes. However, I do support the total decriminalization of prostitution.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default?start-index=101&amp;max-results=100'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>201</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-4999057329389534356</id><published>2012-01-28T22:39:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2012-01-28T22:46:19.941+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Okay, let's start all over again</title><content type='html'>After three months, I visited a prostitute again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Against all my promises. And it was to be expected.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But at least there is one positive point. I don't enjoy it at all. Not anymore. I feel absolute disgust. Total disgust. Visiting a prostitute is no fun at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I feel shame and anger. Real ANGER!!!! I EXPLODE!!!!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's have another go at breaking my record.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The record of plus or minus&amp;nbsp;four and a half&amp;nbsp;years of not visiting a prostitute.&lt;br /&gt;The record of three months of not visiting a porn site.&lt;br /&gt;The record of one week of not masturbating.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am beginning to see a great connection between all things. The connection between the rape of mother Earth and the rape of women. It is time for a new covenant. No more pollution and overconsumption, and no more sex.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's all live as equals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I must have one clear goal in mind. All prostitution is bad. All sex is bad. All production is bad. All consumption is bad. All labour is slavery. All romantic relationships are slavery. I only have to really believe in it and to live by it. I know how much risk I take by visiting a prostitute. Especially because I fall for younger women. The probability is so high that a prostitute I visit is forced to do this, who hates it, who feels disgusted by doing this. The probability is so high that I abuse a person. It is irrelevant that there are some prostitutes who do it voluntarily and who enjoy their work. You never know. It could always be fake.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Are my goals realistic? Perhaps not. But I could at least minimise the damage. Minimise my consumption and production, minimise my sexual activity, minimise my abuse of prostitutes. Perhaps an absolute minimum (zero) is not always possible in real life. But I could always try, at least regarding my visits of prostitutes. Having no romantic relationships is already working perfectly, albeit against my desires.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Everybody thinks I'm a moron)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-4999057329389534356?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/4999057329389534356/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=4999057329389534356' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/4999057329389534356'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/4999057329389534356'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2012/01/okay-lets-start-all-over-again.html' title='Okay, let&apos;s start all over again'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-350189016311114273</id><published>2012-01-11T16:20:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2012-01-11T16:22:38.525+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Interviews with prostitutes - part 3</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My next installment regarding interviews/conversations I had with prostitutes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This post will be entirely about one prostitute. I had contact with her in 2006, early 2007. She was 18 years old at that time. She worked in the Geleenstraat in Den Haag. A couple of clients also wrote a review on hookers.nl about their visit to her. She was very vocal on hookers.nl, writing a lot of comments in discussions. I also had contact with her via internal mail. I asked permission to her at that time, to use everything she has said. She said she knows many personal stories of prostitutes. Unfortunately I didn't ask about these stories. I do have the impression that a lot of what this girl tells is not from firsthand experience, but from deduction and theorising.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I sent an internal mail to her in which I asked her a lot of questions. One of these questions is if also many older prostitutes are forced to work in prostitution. She responded with a very long story, read here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have no clue who you are, but I find it a good initiative of you, and I think that you will benefit a lot from me.&lt;br /&gt;Only one thing remains a difficult question.&lt;br /&gt;When is a prostitute being forced? I have spoken with a great many girls and women and actually nobody does it for her own pleasure. They all got into it by men and can't easily step out of it just like that anymore. Most only come into contact with pimp-like men so they almost don't know better.&lt;br /&gt;I think it is important to know several things about me, otherwise you don't know how objective my experiences are and about how many girls I can talk.&lt;br /&gt;Since January I have worked behind the windows. I have started in Den Haag, in between in Groningen a couple of times, and I have also worked a couple of times in Amsterdam.&lt;br /&gt;I'm certainly not a dumb girl and many girls who worked sensed that, I worked as a sort of problem-magnet and many relieved their feelings to me.&lt;br /&gt;Women who work will never be able to tell their problems so easily to social workers and clients.&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately enough, I also had my own problems and I wasn't able to help these girls really well. Once I will take the matter up.&lt;br /&gt;Back to your questions...&lt;br /&gt;For the older ones that I knew it was approximately 50/50, some once did actually start for themselves and just have a family, they really lead a double life.&lt;br /&gt;Yet there also are many who either way have gotten into it by being forced or are still under big pressure of a man.&lt;br /&gt;I only find it really very difficult to properly separate these two. Foreign older women are often isolated. They live with a number of them in one house, a couple of men take care of them (often they supposedly have their own man, but that person must surely have more of them around) and they simply don't know better. Only you can't call this really forced then. Unfortunately.&lt;br /&gt;It is also like this for the younger girls. I mean, come on, all these girls younger than 25 who still could do so many things. No one is born with the idea 'I want to become whore later'. And no one just completely came to the idea oneself to do this.&lt;br /&gt;But okay, so about these younger girls you then probably do know already how many are being forced.&lt;br /&gt;Now your question about the difference between window prostitution and other forms.&lt;br /&gt;No, especially in escort agencies are a great many girls with pimps. Especially the smaller ones.&lt;br /&gt;This is not because I have done it myself, but if I have a new job on the side, either if it is in the snack bar on the corner or behind the windows.. I will gain more in-depth knowledge about it. I try to unravel things as much as possible. Actually I have done my own little research. I have even lots of contact with pimps.. they know that I know what they do, they are also very open about it towards me. They rather see me as a sort of 'friend' than as an enemy.&lt;br /&gt;Because believe me.. with these boys something has just also gone wrong once. With the upbringing or after this. A couple of them have simply grown up with it this way, their father did it, their family all work in this little world [of prostitution].&lt;br /&gt;I absolutely don't justify it, I find it very very bad, but I find that today's girls are also stupid. I have also been stupid myself, I never should have done it, but fortunately I have completely stopped with it for already 1 1/2 month. And not for a million I go standing behind the window anymore. At most to be able to mean something for the girls there.&lt;br /&gt;If you want to know more, or want to hear personal stories from girls whom I met there, just ask really. I gladly want to help you with that.&lt;br /&gt;What are actually your motivations to do this? Soon I will also take a look at your weblog.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I tell her that many clients don't seem to care about forced prostitution, they seem to think it is a myth, and perhaps they are right. I tell her about my theories, about that I noticed by studying forced prostitution cases that many Dutch forced prostitutes are forced to work in window prostitution. I asked her if also many Dutch prostitutes are forced to work as call girls?)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I only know of the region Den Haag, that many boys let girls work as escort there. Some have even started up their own escort agencies.&lt;br /&gt;Exactly because it is often more difficult for the police to supervise than behind the windows, there are also more minor girls there at the moment.&lt;br /&gt;Illegal small escort agencies have in fact been rounded up in the place where I live ([a city in the northwest of the Netherlands]), which used minor as well as illegal girls.&lt;br /&gt;I just think that this happens everywhere especially on a smaller scale. Where I have also been for a short while is chatgirl.nl, this site is being supervised more and more, but if you present yourself as a possible client then you will get lots of offers from so-called girls. Very often these are ultimately just men (then I say that I am a woman and they want that I also come working for them).&lt;br /&gt;What I have also done for a while is to ask for pimps on TMF chat (that wasn't blocked because a pimp is a 'normal' tough designation nowadays), also lots of boys react there. Half have nothing to do with it, but of many you do notice that they know what they are talking about.&lt;br /&gt;I have also been 'recruited' by a boy myself, albeit out of free will. He quickly saw already that I was much too clever for him and he became a 'normal' friend of mine, although he does know that I actually hate him.&lt;br /&gt;He himself has girls everywhere, in Amsterdam and Den Haag. There are also girls who work at escort agencies and make use of his 'protection' all the same. He doesn't force these girls, but he makes them believe that they can't do without him, with the necessary threats if needed.&lt;br /&gt;I have even had a conversation with one of the 'higher' bosses, officially he has a respectable escort agency, but in the meantime he has many pimps and girls. This way he also had reception houses, where he places girls whom he brought from Yugoslavia for example.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I ask her if the loverboys in window prostitution are in reality small boys who work for a "bigger boss"?)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First I will try for a moment to answer your questions.&lt;br /&gt;Some loverboys work for bigger ones, or they get into it by chance, they learn it and continue independently.&lt;br /&gt;There are boys who are forced to do this. I know that because I have worked myself in a juvenile prison for a year.&lt;br /&gt;My whole story perhaps sounds a little bit unlikely, but more than a year ago I had an internship as an assistant teacher in [a juvenile prison].&lt;br /&gt;([A juvenile prison]) where there are both many victims as well as 'perpetrators'.&lt;br /&gt;If you want to have more details about that you may also ask that.&lt;br /&gt;I hope that you do believe me, I wouldn't believe anybody who says to experience so many things that quickly, but you may always ask me for details to be able to check.&lt;br /&gt;Okay, so there in [a juvenile prison] I have also got to know boys who were under such big pressure that they had to arrange girls. First it was explained to them over and over again and they had to hand over a large amount of money again to the bigger ones.&lt;br /&gt;A lot of information about this is known internally, I don't know if this is also let outside a lot.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other question.. about escort agencies, I don't know that so well. I only know myself a couple of examples from Den Haag and my place of residence. These were small, unknown, as well as bigger ones.&lt;br /&gt;I know that even in clubs there are girls working who still have to hand over money to somebody from outside, but it seems to me that it does occur less often.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I asked her where she saw that forced a prostitute aged 50, in which sector. That could destroy my theory that forced prostitution among relatively older prostitutes (older than 30) occurs far less often. I ask her if many Dutch prostitutes who receive their clients in their own homes are also forced, this form of prostitution is called private reception. I ask her if she is really just 18 years old)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will try for a moment to answer your questions.&lt;br /&gt;In the meantime I have become 19 years old, but I really was 18 years old when I did this work.&lt;br /&gt;That forced prostitute I indeed saw behind the window. I did see more by the way, but with one I have often talked.&lt;br /&gt;I know that there are girls who actually are being forced in private reception, but much much less than behind the windows. These are as it happens somewhat older persons who do it on the side every now and then. I do know of a couple of illegal houses in Den Haag where girls are really under pressure, but for the outside world they just do private reception.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I asked her if it is true that many Latin American prostitutes work independently. And does she also know something about Thai prostitutes and African prostitutes?)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I find this difficult, because contact with these women is more difficult anyway. And actually, I have also hardly seen them behind the window. They were in the cheaper streets than where I worked anyway. I do know that there is a whole group of African women in Amsterdam who are under a big pressure of a couple of Dutch (yes, really purely Dutch) men.&lt;br /&gt;I do actually believe that also Latin American women do have somebody 'behind them'. As it happens, it is rather difficult in Amsterdam (for example) to get phone numbers to be able to find a good window, how do they do this when they don't even come from here?&lt;br /&gt;By the way, Thai women hardly work behind the windows, but more often in those Thai massage houses.. Hmm how they come there? No idea. I do only know that they live very isolated and also don't talk very quickly about something when something's going on.&lt;br /&gt;You know what it is? I really don't have the idea that when somebody is without money the first thing what comes to her mind is to start working as a prostitute. Also the women who now work as good as for themselves have once been helped into it by somebody. I have never encountered somebody who wasn't. I can't deny it, but I even had somebody who arranged one thing or another for me in the beginning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I asked for her email-address, she gave it to me, but I asked no more questions to her. Actually I should have. Right now I want to know more about personal stories of prostitutes. At that time I was more interested in the big picture, in the numbers. At this moment I am more interested in the details)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Haha, you may always mail me.&lt;br /&gt;You were one of the few who at least opened his eyes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(But I closed them again. I am a jerk who started to abuse prostitutes again, after so many years of staying clean. Oops, the moral-crusader-side of me boils up again! As I told already, she wrote a lot on the forum section. She responded to a client who said he visited a prostitute who worked for a bad boyfriend)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Approximately 9 out of 10 girls do work for somebody. You don't want to know how many prostitutes have considerable debts...&lt;br /&gt;Some only show it somewhat more clearly to the clients than another person. I know some of them, who work for 40 years already and they still have no penny of their own.&lt;br /&gt;Some have an alcoholic, the other just a boy who comes with beautiful words, and the next one a junky.&lt;br /&gt;I have encountered this in every city where I worked.&lt;br /&gt;You become really sad of all these stories. I haven't yet decided for myself if I find this the 'own fault' of the girls or if I would rather like to do something to these boys. Both actually.&lt;br /&gt;But okay, what can you do about it? Nothing.. at the end they choose for it themselves. If this girl about whom you are talking wants to stop with it or wants to stop with this boy, then she really has to do that herself anyway.&lt;br /&gt;Believe me, nobody else can do this and the more people that say to her how stupid it is what she's doing, the closer she draws herself to him.&lt;br /&gt;I would say; or totally leave it that way, don't visit her, try to forget.&lt;br /&gt;Or keep on visiting her, perhaps these little talks with her mean something to her anyway and you do perhaps help her with that. You notice this for example by how much she pays attention to the time.&lt;br /&gt;You may always ask me private questions about this, I am very honest and open about this and I do know in the meantime how many young girls live in this little world [of prostitution].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(She responded to a topic about what average ladies think about clients of prostitutes)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hmm average lady.. blabla..&lt;br /&gt;I belong to a somewhat younger generation than most people here and I notice that the 'normal' girls of my age don't accept it.&lt;br /&gt;That is also the reason that I don't tell my girlfriends how I bear the costs of my study.&lt;br /&gt;I even agree with them myself, actually I also don't accept it myself.&lt;br /&gt;This sounds rather contradictory, but I entered it because of financial problems and on the other hand I’m against everything and everybody who is associated with prostitution.&lt;br /&gt;Why? I have always been raised with the respectable image of a man-woman-relationship and I still find that actually you simply have to marry and only should have sex out of love.&lt;br /&gt;So when I have a job myself soon and have no association with this little world anymore, then I will detest it again like always, just like many other people.&lt;br /&gt;Actually doing this work myself has only strengthened this feeling only more, because now I see how many desperate, dependent girls do this work and how often they are psychologically nutty.&lt;br /&gt;I am especially talking about behind the windows, where many Polish, Slovakian and other foreign girls came under false pretences, eventually have or have not accepted it and are not able to do something else now.&lt;br /&gt;Or the young Dutch girls who have entered it because of their boyfriends and almost don't know better now and don't value themselves more than working as a prostitute.&lt;br /&gt;I notice myself how quickly you get used to this little world, even when I still fight so hard against it.&lt;br /&gt;So how do I view (other) prostitutes? I will be very honest, I understand it of myself, I had to make the choice myself what I'm prepared to do for accommodation+study. I have made the difficult choice to be prepared to give my body.&lt;br /&gt;Others? I see them buy expensive things, gamble away their money or spend it on their sweet boyfriends.. I cannot understand this.&lt;br /&gt;Of course I am also not a saint and I also do buy as consolation a little something more than the average student, but I only work when I really need money.&lt;br /&gt;I can only imagine that you do this work when your feelings and thoughts have become so flattened that you only see the money and that you don't need to 'feel' the rest.&lt;br /&gt;I don't want to attack anybody personally, everybody has one’s own story, that I don't understand people is something other than that I don't respect them, I have respect for every living human.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(She responded to a topic about how to identify possible loverboy practices)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Very positive that men want to help, really very good.. but… In the meantime I know really a little bit myself how things go in this little world [of prostitution] and like I have said before; 9 out of 10 girls behind the window work under force, or are clearly under the thumb of their sweet boyfriend.&lt;br /&gt;Suppose that a girl really works under force and is being molested and that this lasts longer than a couple of weeks.. I am convinced that you can't do much for her. She will have to go to the police herself, another person can't do this for her. I have also tried it a couple of times and even when such a girl trusts me (a colleague) more easily than a client, until now I have achieved little with it.&lt;br /&gt;On the one hand they often want to be helped, but on the other hand they are so used to this life, they do actually find it exciting or they love their boyfriend so much all the same that these thoughts win from the negative ones. I also don't understand this myself, but that's how it often is.&lt;br /&gt;So according to me, what can you do best as a visitor in such a case when you have suspicions? Take care that in any case she knows that she can be sheltered when she goes to the police. There are many shelters in the Netherlands for ex-prostitutes where they are being helped and protected. I believe that when you have made this clear to her you have done enough for her, she will have to take that next step herself.&lt;br /&gt;If necessary, you can make an appointment with her to go to the police together on a supposed date, then you will notice quickly enough if she really wants to be helped quickly and gladly.&lt;br /&gt;If she doesn't accept this offer? When she comes with excuses? Then you really can't do much for her anymore, and you have done what is necessary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(She started her own topic in which she said farewell)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hello forum members and especially chatters.&lt;br /&gt;I have just arrived home and soon I will move on to the next party again, but in between I wanted to do something for a short while.&lt;br /&gt;I cancel my membership of this forum. I also won't chat anymore.&lt;br /&gt;This has multiple reasons for me and yet as a last thing, I still want to do my talk for a short while.&lt;br /&gt;Like a couple of people know in the meantime, I recently am 19 years old since a couple of months.&lt;br /&gt;During the past year I have regularly stood behind the windows during the weekends to be able to pay for my study and rent. I entered a situation that I totally saw no way out anymore and I'm not averse to sex, so for me paid sex was the only last option.&lt;br /&gt;I have definitely stopped now, I don't want to anymore and to be honest, I even can't do it anymore. So I'll never be working behind the windows anymore.&lt;br /&gt;The men on this forum are not waiting for my, in their eyes often negative opinion. Unfortunately, I have seen and experienced too much misery and I have become too embittered by the fate of all these tens, perhaps even hundred girls whom I have spoken.&lt;br /&gt;I also feel desperate when I joined discussions in for example a topic about fucking without a condom. I just only see these girls in front of me, who are forced by their 'boyfriend' to do things to earn as much money as possible.&lt;br /&gt;As long as I stay on this forum I will continuously be confronted with the naive attitude of the men and I actually do slowly develop an aversion towards clients. This is not my intention. Also my feelings about the traditional man-woman relationships which have been weakened for a long time, start to emerge again. I am simply too old-fashioned to keep on gamboling on this forum. I don't want to spoil the pleasure for others with my strong views and why would somebody aged 50 listen to the opinion of such a young child as I am.&lt;br /&gt;I can't say that I have always found the work terrible, I had many pleasant clients and with many I also often had many good conversations. Only during the last months it just didn't work out anymore and I only saw negative sides. The acting didn't succeed anymore, so of the men who walked by I only really allowed the types to come in whom really were my taste. I became more and more choosy every weekend&lt;br /&gt;I was often on the chat box and I have spoken with a lot of people there, I also couldn't let all this completely go yet.&lt;br /&gt;My new goal for 2007: pick up my normal life, continue my study and work hard to be able to pay my rent and everything anyhow.&lt;br /&gt;So this is my real farewell, but once, if I have completely come to grips with the previous year, then I will start to help girls. Girls who don't do this work voluntarily and of whom so few people care about.&lt;br /&gt;First I have to put my own life back on the rails now.&lt;br /&gt;Clients: please be careful with what you are doing.. I am not against paid sex, but please take care that you treat the girls with respect. They are often such unstable and gullible girls. To report if you see something suspicious does hardly make sense, unfortunately I know everything about that.&lt;br /&gt;I most certainly don't want to say that you are bad when you visit ladies of pleasure, absolutely not, but please.. just be careful a little bit.&lt;br /&gt;Ladies: I know that many ladies come here who do private reception etc, that is something very different than behind the windows. So just do your thing as you like, use your mind while doing it and never do something against your will. Do you have problems? Seek help and ALWAYS maintain respect for yourself, your body and your health. Everybody has the value to be appreciated, also appreciate yourself.&lt;br /&gt;Everybody: thank you that I could get one thing or the other out of my system by writing about it and I was also reasonably able to relieve things in the chat box, this was the start of my process of coping.&lt;br /&gt;I wish everybody a very very happy and healthy 2007, I sincerely wish this to everybody.&lt;br /&gt;I'm not able to completely let go.. I came here myself to this forum when I was on the verge of starting behind the windows. I mainly read positive things here and I decided to do it. There was nobody with whom I could really consult or could get my story off my chest in the beginning.&lt;br /&gt;Hereby.. when somebody reads this and would gladly release her story.. I mean especially young girls with this, who have entered a similar shitty situation as I have: mail me, please seek contact with me. I won't try to save you, even if you only want to release your story.. that is always allowed. A year ago I couldn't release my story to nobody and that was really hard...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-350189016311114273?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/350189016311114273/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=350189016311114273' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/350189016311114273'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/350189016311114273'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2012/01/interviews-with-prostitutes-part-3.html' title='Interviews with prostitutes - part 3'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-9030893050703042420</id><published>2012-01-06T19:35:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2012-01-06T19:37:26.179+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Interviews with prostitutes - part 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And now my next instalment regarding my interviews with prostitutes, mostly via (internal) mail, some via forums, notably hookers.nl.&lt;br /&gt;At the end of 2005 I had contact with a prostitute via mail.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I asked her four questions:&lt;br /&gt;-Is my theory right that trafficking in women among Dutch prostitutes rarely happens in clubs and privéhuizen?&lt;br /&gt;-Do most Eastern European prostitutes have a pimp?&lt;br /&gt;-Have most Dutch window prostitutes entered prostitution because of a loverboy/bad boyfriend?&lt;br /&gt;-Do you have a couple of tips to which places I could best go to restart my hobby of visiting prostitutes?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She answers:&lt;br /&gt;Uuh, while I speak from experience, 9 out of 10 times window prostitutes have ended up there because of the bad boyfriend. Dutch girls in this case. Most of the time they are not long with that person, because they then come into contact with other girls and then start to think.&lt;br /&gt;In clubs and privéhuizen it also sometimes happens, but then 9 out of 10 times it are foreign girls from Brazil, Eastern Bloc etc..&lt;br /&gt;Girls from the Eastern Bloc do often have a pimp, you then also see that these girls are with girlfriends in the Netherlands, and then you can almost assume already that they have a loverboy!&lt;br /&gt;If you want really voluntarily girls then you could best search for girls who place advertisements on internet themselves.&lt;br /&gt;Or indeed Dutch girls in privéhuizen.&lt;br /&gt;I wish you a lot of luck to find a nice (voluntarily) lady, and if you have more questions, then you may always mail me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I ask her if she means that these girlfriends work for the same boy? I say to her that I notice that she certainly does it voluntarily. I suggested to her if I could go to her? Obviously, that didn't work out, as it turned out later. At one point the contact simply broke off.)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's correct, I am a person who certainly isn't gullible anymore with respect to boys (loverboys, pimps, or so-called open-minded man)&lt;br /&gt;I just believe that you have to be single for this work and certainly voluntarily.&lt;br /&gt;Men who really love you don't share you with dozens of other men.&lt;br /&gt;To talk shortly about these Eastern bloc girls, these girls are often brought here with girlfriends by 1 or multiple men.&lt;br /&gt;I don't know if you have followed the series Matroesjka’s, but that was certainly the reality however. They are simply bought up as cattle and then sold again..&lt;br /&gt;They then are in 1 place, and if they don't earn well anymore, they are resold to another in another place, and there they can be considered as new again!! Sickening actually.&lt;br /&gt;But obviously there are also girls from the Eastern Bloc who do actually work voluntarily.&lt;br /&gt;But you'll notice that quickly enough.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I said to her that I had the&amp;nbsp;impression that she really enjoyed her work)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what you say is certainly correct.. I receive few clients, and this way I can also enjoy it myself and have fun in it, I have worked for a long time in this profession, also not really voluntarily and after that I have continued for myself.. But therefore I am a person who doesn't like assembly-line work... So after four years after I stopped, I have started again last January and completely for myself.&lt;br /&gt;That is the way (in my opinion).&lt;br /&gt;If you have a bad day just for once, and somebody phones to you then you simply say sorry, I am fully booked today.&lt;br /&gt;This way it stays fun, and I also see that 99% of the men are satisfied, and that also gives me a sort of motivation again... Because I know that many men have to save money for it for a while and if a date is over within 20 min in that case, and they aren't satisfied, then I also have no nice feeling. So I always think: just go for it, and make fun because you live only once.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I ask a lot of questions to her, such as: is it true that pimps are often very ugly guys and not beautiful boys as depicted in the media. She answers to these questions)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, it is a very sensitive subject: women trafficking and pimps.&lt;br /&gt;But in my view, all girls who have a boyfriend (man) are a victim.&lt;br /&gt;Some do it together as a couple, for the thrill of it, okay, these are the exceptions.&lt;br /&gt;But nobody can tell me that if you really love somebody, you don't let that person share the bed with every Tom, Dick and Harry (let them play whore).&lt;br /&gt;I don't know my way around in Amsterdam, so I can say nothing about it.&lt;br /&gt;I myself entered prostitution when I was 16 years old, also by a bad boyfriend.&lt;br /&gt;Fortunately I found out two days later that I didn't need him for anything and I offered him a choice,&amp;nbsp;get lost or I go to the police with the story that you force a minor into prostitution.&lt;br /&gt;After lots of whining he just chose for the first option anyhow.&lt;br /&gt;Then I worked for two years in Arnhem behind the window, and I have seen a lot from very close up!!&lt;br /&gt;Girls that were simply being supervised by 7 Moroccan brothers (they were beautiful boys) or else these girls wouldn't fall for that.&lt;br /&gt;And these really aren't pleasant guys, a client once tried one time to get one of these girls out, and he was being shot at...&lt;br /&gt;Yes, it mostly is the bread for the whole family.. and these girls (mostly from the Eastern bloc) are allowed to send 150 guilders 1 time or 2 times per month.&lt;br /&gt;There are obviously also many Dutch girls who become victim!!&lt;br /&gt;They have nothing, no family, girlfriends.. and then comes their prince on the white horse.. who allegedly has DEBTS. And then all the misery begins.&lt;br /&gt;Mostly they (what they call) deposit their money at their boyfriends who allegedly saves it for them.. When the girls find out that actually it isn't saved at all and then say something about it, THEN things get serious and there are beatings and use of coercion.&lt;br /&gt;I once have thought about putting a story in a book about my whole life experiences in this world.. Only not so handy for me, because nobody may know what I do and what I did.&lt;br /&gt;What do loverboys look like????&lt;br /&gt;Variously, mostly really very smooth, beautiful clothes, a good amount of money in their pockets.. and often visit you first as a client one time.&lt;br /&gt;If you are already together, it can obviously also be other types (normal family men).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I said to her that I thought that she also worked on De Wallen in Amsterdam? I asked her how many window prostitutes in het Spijkerkwartier in Arnhem were forced? How many have a boyfriend/pimp to whom they have to give all their money? Is it true that many victims of loverboys are normal Dutch white girls from normal families from the middle-class?)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have also worked on De Wallen, but in Maasbracht, not in Amsterdam...&lt;br /&gt;At that time it was the case that 30% certainly had a pimp..&lt;br /&gt;And of that group it was certainly 10% Dutch white girls from the middle-class, but also really girls from rich people…&lt;br /&gt;Last January I started again after four years.. but now by receiving privately.&lt;br /&gt;And I'm very satisfied with it.. without (so-called) boyfriend.&lt;br /&gt;Pleasantly in my own way and own tempo.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That percentage is based on all that I have encountered, windows, clubs, privéhuizen, everything.&lt;br /&gt;By the way, in Maasbracht is not really a club, the ladies also rent a room there..&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(She responded in the forum section in the topic about starting an emergency line for clients who want to report forced prostitutes)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hi everybody...&lt;br /&gt;I think that this campaign is well intended, but also a risk for the girls who are a victim of that!!&lt;br /&gt;If their pimps find out.. they immediately relocate that girl.&lt;br /&gt;If that's the only thing ..they could get many problems because of that.&lt;br /&gt;The girls who work behind the windows can talk to the women of the ggd there, or with somebody of the Rode Draad, who visit you (in the time that I worked behind the window I mean).&lt;br /&gt;On the one hand I find it a good idea, on the other hand I also do not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I say that I believe that the police won't have problems to find victims, that they don't need the clients for that. I believe that the only problem is that the police has undercapacity, and it is difficult for the police to persuade victims to lodge an official complaint)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, to undertake something against those loverboys, there indeed is a complaint necessary by a victim.&lt;br /&gt;You can start a campaign here, so that men won't go to the ladies.&lt;br /&gt;I believe that they simply replace the lady to another place, where she is completely new again, and then they will go like a train again.&lt;br /&gt;The blame is also put on the ladies when they don't earn enough, this doesn't stay unpunished by their so-called boyfriends.&lt;br /&gt;The girls have to find out themselves, and take the step by talking to the police.&lt;br /&gt;The worst thing is mostly that, they go talking with the police, the police arrests these boy(s), have a conversation, and mostly they are simply allowed to leave again.&lt;br /&gt;But these boys know that their girl has talked with the police.&lt;br /&gt;And then hell really breaks loose.&lt;br /&gt;Then the girl is suddenly gone, the boys too and nobody who has supervision over it again.&lt;br /&gt;That's also the reason I believe why girls won't go to the police very quickly. UNFORTUNATELY.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I tell about supply and demand. If clients consistently avoid forced prostitutes, then the pimps who force women in prostitution won't make money anymore. Because they won't make money anymore this way, they will stop forcing women in prostitution. And the brothel keepers should keep force prostitutes away from their brothels.)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps, but there are also ladies in this world [of prostitution] who desperately need the money, because perhaps they are single mothers with a very low income and many debts. (They would also become victim in that case)&lt;br /&gt;I think that the oldest profession will never disappear, and that is only a good thing!&lt;br /&gt;Because think about the men who fall for younger women...they now go to us, but if we aren't there anymore?? What will they do then....fill that in yourself.&lt;br /&gt;I believe that the only way to stop all this, is that they start to work with registration numbers which are only available at the police and not at the tax department, they really won't talk with a girl, like hey, are you being pimped or something...&lt;br /&gt;INSPECTION!! by the police and brothel keepers etc, that is important.&lt;br /&gt;Keep an eye on boys who walk whole days in window neighbourhoods.&lt;br /&gt;Take ACTION.. but yes, the law in the Netherlands is still so crooked that we won't have to wait for that the following years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(On to the next prostitute!)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(In the same thread, another woman responded. This also happened at the end of 2005. She was 31 years old at that time. She said the following.)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have often witnessed that girls had a loverboy. Often enough even. A quarrel that they hadn't earned enough, but what I also noticed, there were girls who were helped to get rid of "their" boyfriend, but a week later they were simply together again, just like old times.&lt;br /&gt;I believe that these girls don't even dare to go away, because they are being threatened, beaten and you name it. It is so easy to go to the police, but in reality the police does nothing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I also mailed with this woman, I asked her a lot of questions)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't have that much experience in a club, so unfortunately I can't report anything about that.&lt;br /&gt;I did work behind the windows, on the Ruysdaelkade in Amsterdam and in the Hague. I have witnessed especially in the Hague that girls had to work for a boy, mostly it were Moroccans. Even on the Ruysdaelkade I have also witnessed it. All the same there are also enough Dutchmen who have a girl working behind the windows. I can’t tell you how you have to avoid such a girl, because I really don't know that.&lt;br /&gt;Such girls are very unstable to call it that way. These boys know exactly which girls they have to charm. I have never worked for a pimp. I stopped two years ago because I have emigrated, otherwise I would have still been on the Ruysdaelkade.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I asked her to give an estimate of how many prostitutes are forced)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not a clue, you could better ask these questions to the police.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(Is it true that generally older women work on the Ruysdaelkade?)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Older and young persons, but you have that everywhere. It is not only on the Ruysdaelkade.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I explain more to her about my theories, and I tell her about my fantasies of being a female prostitute)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What you say is right, most younger girls are victim of a pimp. All the same, older women also end up in the profession by their boyfriend.&lt;br /&gt;To come back to your question. It sounds very strange, but I had told you that I had stopped because I have emigrated, but I still miss it every day.&lt;br /&gt;The thrill and the fun of getting attention from men.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(To the next prostitute!)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I also spoke with another prostitute, older than 40. I asked her how to avoid forced prostitutes)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do pay attention to body language I would say, girls who do this profession with love also ooze that out.&lt;br /&gt;And most of the time you only know it when you have been there.&lt;br /&gt;But do watch out with it, there are also ladies who abuse this to make a pitiful impression, so that the client will only pay.&lt;br /&gt;I do find it a difficult item I must say.&lt;br /&gt;I hope myself that I will never encounter a girl who MUST do it, I believe that the pimp will get a big problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You know what I find the worst thing, and I regularly witness that, that housewives have to work by order of their husband.&lt;br /&gt;I find that worse than a registered pimp, or in any case that you know that he has girls working for him.&lt;br /&gt;I had an escort agency in the past myself, and when I found out that the girl had to work by order of her husband then she was in a shelter within no time. It is very very sad that women let themselves be used for this, and that they don't dare to be emancipated out of fear that something happens to themselves or their children and family. And nobody who apparently does something about it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(...)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;PS: you did actually make me think again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I talked about my theory that prostitutes older than 40 are rarely forced to work in prostitution. So you could only go to them, but that would be pitiful for the clients who prefer young women)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But above 40 they can also be hot, really.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-9030893050703042420?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/9030893050703042420/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=9030893050703042420' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/9030893050703042420'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/9030893050703042420'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2012/01/interviews-with-prostitutes-part-2.html' title='Interviews with prostitutes - part 2'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-8895545155616174646</id><published>2012-01-01T20:32:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2012-01-04T20:12:38.229+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Interviews with prostitutes - part 1</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had some contacts with prostitutes, years ago. Mostly via e-mail or internal mail on a forum, usually hookers.nl. I stopped chatting with prostitutes, because I want to leave them alone for now. I can derive enough information from other sources. For the time being, I will place translations on my blog of the conversations I had with prostitutes. I think it has been such a long time ago that nobody will know who these prostitutes are, so there anonymity will sufficiently be protected. And I believe the translations will cloud their writing style. I will remove private data as much as possible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I must say that while reading all these messages back, I look at them with a different view. I now realise that often I didn't understand what the prostitutes told me. I also notice that my writing style was really aggressive. I'm surprised how calmly the prostitutes respond to my questions and messages. I felt at that time that their writing was also very aggressive, but after reading it back I realise that this isn't true at all. I misinterpreted. They are actually very friendly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to start with two prostitutes who both worked on De Wallen in Amsterdam. They have very different opinions regarding the extent of forced prostitution. Then follows another prostitute, a window prostitute who worked in the Spijkerkwartier in Arnhem, a window prostitution area which has been closed down a couple of years ago. The latter prostitute has also worked on De Wallen. And I want to end with an older window prostitute, who made a short comment about the extent of forced prostitution. I don't know in which area she has worked.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is interesting to notice that the women have different opinions of what coercion is. Some see the women who are forced to work in prostitution by their boyfriends not as forced at all, because they choose to be with him in their opinion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But for now, the first girl. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had contact via mail with a girl. That happened in the months of January and February 2007. She was forced to work in prostitution on De Wallen, in the period when also the gang of Saban B was still active there. It is possible that she was forced to work in prostitution by members of this gang.&lt;br /&gt;And here are some translations I made of the things she said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As soon as I feel mentally and physically good again I will devote myself full-time to prevent forced prostitution. It so happens that the Netherlands has been overtaken by the facts. They don't know education for this social problem.&lt;br /&gt;Concerning me. I also stood behind the windows indeed. When you make a little list of questions I can answer that with confidence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I worked only for half a year. He treated me so badly at that time, that I totally collapsed, I really couldn't possibly carry on with that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(...)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Everything started approximately two years ago. I worked in Amsterdam on De Wallen and there the power was so enormously big. When there will come problems sometime, and all pimps will work together against the police, then a substantial war will arise (for example!!).&lt;br /&gt;In terms of percentage, I believe that approximately 75 percent (perhaps even 80) works there for a pimp.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I asked her about these wars)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Concerning these wars, I did actually hear shootings on De Wallen, luckily not where I was in the alley. The point is that if these pimps really want to, and they will conspire together and all their errand boys added to it, then the police has a substantial problem. No, I believe it never happened but I find it absolutely not an impossibility. It is reality and the police knows it all too well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I ask her if it is true that it is generally the younger prostitutes who are forced to work in prostitution, contrary to older prostitutes)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The pimps don't look at age. If you look at the world through the eyes of a pimp then you will only see pricetags hanging on women (perhaps men). Obviously, the younger girls generally earn more, but suppose that you have a hot person aged 50 who isn't stable enough to resist that man. Then also that person will become prey.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I asked the question if she also knew of foreign women who were forced, for example Eastern European or a Latin American women)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, especially Eastern European. Boys just walk around there who literally sell those girls. That is women trafficking at its purest. Most Eastern European girls who stand there, work for a pimp there, or have worked, I believe the percentage there could be as high as 95.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I ask her how she knows that so many women are forced, and I ask her if the pimps who controlled her also pay a visit to other prostitutes)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;MMM&lt;br /&gt;That's a tough one. You know, when I walk on the street I could point to pimps, I can say to you who are the errand boys, I can say from who you can get drugs.&lt;br /&gt;It is something what you start to see.&lt;br /&gt;Plus, in addition to this, is that when the same boy steps inside as many as 10 times in one day, day in day out, then you know enough. When girls are picked up (it is just as if they can't walk to the car themselves!!!)&lt;br /&gt;I recognise it because of these things. Just sit on the pavement of the bulldog a couple of days during the summer, in front of the dollebegeine then you can exactly look into it.&lt;br /&gt;You will see that there is a pattern.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(She probably means ‘the bulldog seeds’ which lies near the Dollebegijnensteeg, I ask if this is also true for alleys outside the Dollebegijnensteeg, such as the Sint Annendwarsstraat and the Trompettersteeg. I tell her I heard that many forced prostitutes work in these alleys. That is what a prostitute told me. And the gang of Saban B supposedly had many women in these alleys, which belong to the so-called Sint Annenkwartier)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, these are the alleys where I stood, yes, but just take for granted that it also happens outside of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(to the next prostitute!)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I have asked questions via internal mail to another prostitute. That happened at the end of 2005. She says quite the opposite as what the previous one said. She has worked in many brothels, sex clubs, window brothels, and also as a callgirl. She has also worked on De Wallen in Amsterdam, and which alley? The Dollebegijnensteeg. But that was after the Saban B period however. She has also worked on the Achterdam in Alkmaar. That was within the Saban B period. It is possible she knew him.)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I ask her what she notices of forced prostitution in daily life, is it really all that bad?)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Haha, you may ask me really everything. No, I have no pimp, and most girls I know also don't. Haha, I don't discriminate but on street I talk with nobody. And I don't fall for Turks and Moroccans at all.&lt;br /&gt;I unfortunately don't know it of Eastern European girls, you should ask that yourself anyway.&lt;br /&gt;I myself entered the profession when I was 18 years old, just out of curiosity. And I'm still satisfied with it.&lt;br /&gt;The criminal circuit isn't really so bad, like often an elephant is made out of mosquito. (…) You often see such men with a Dutch girl or with their own people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I tell her about all the high percentages of forced prostitutes often named by prostitutes, social workers and other people. I asked her about pimps hanging around Eastern European prostitutes, doesn't she see that?)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I must honestly say that I also don't associate with Eastern European ladies, so I really wouldn't know. You could be right anyway, in terms of percentage that would be really an exaggeration.&lt;br /&gt;What I do know is that many ladies make up a story, that they are pitiful and have to hand over all their money, and that clients actually wheedle money out of them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do believe that many Eastern European girls lie about that working under force, because they can get help from humanitas, and get help, schooling and allowance.&lt;br /&gt;At least, that's what you often hear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No, I don't notice anything of it. And girls who say that they are being pimped, cause it themselves in my opinion. Afraid to receive beatings or something like that. I would have taken my high heels shoes a long time ago, and beaten the man to hell. In my opinion, a man who beats a woman is weak, it is pitiful for such girls, but they do it themselves anyway.&lt;br /&gt;In life it is not what somebody does to me, but you could better think what you do to yourself. And try to make improvements in it.&lt;br /&gt;It is just pleasant work, and it is supposed to stay this way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I tell her about my fantasy that I am a woman, and that I want to work in prostitution, and that I buy lingerie etc... And then I open the curtain. I ask her how her first day was, did she have heavy orgasms?)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No, I did start out of curiosity, but you find it too scary and you are too nervous to enjoy it.&lt;br /&gt;I was 18 years old when I started at an escort agency, and I didn't have sexy clothes yet at that time. I wasn't very experienced or so, I just had had one boyfriend. Furthermore I wasn't used to every Tom, Dick and Harry touching me. This is not the film 'pretty woman' after all, where you meet nice clients, but my first client was an old man aged 60, unsympathetic, and arrogant.&lt;br /&gt;So there goes your beautiful fantasy, after my first client I stopped for a while with this work. But okay, nice clients do make this work pleasant again.&lt;br /&gt;You forget one thing, you don't only sell your body, but also your dignity. And that is what many don't understand. After all, for those men you are only a small piece of meat with a hole.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is pleasant work, but every now and then you have rotten men. But what I said already, nice men make the work pleasant again. But then I was 18 years old, a perfectly normal girl who went to school. Is it okay just for once, that I became somewhat shocked? At that time I wasn't so emancipated yet. Now I deal with it very differently, but everybody will be. Haven't you changed??? I mean, when you look back on how you were when you were 18 years old, and now?? After you gained some more experiences??&lt;br /&gt;But you have rotten people everywhere, haha, I could already get annoyed at people who jump the queue at the counter.&lt;br /&gt;Just call that high-spirited.&lt;br /&gt;You asked yourself about my experience, my first time in prostitution. I will say that was shit!!&lt;br /&gt;But practice makes perfect they say hahaha like, I also didn't like my first time that I had sex with my boyfriend. Haha, I imagined more of it.&lt;br /&gt;Was your first time okay then? I mean, didn't you feel nervous?? Did you feel at ease?? The strange thing is, I feel more at ease with one person than with another.&lt;br /&gt;Anyhow, it is giving and taking, if you treat me nicely and respectfully, then I will also be like that the other way around.&lt;br /&gt;I'm not a nymphomaniac or something, but erotica attracts me, regularly I also go to a swingers club with girlfriends. Just for fun.&lt;br /&gt;You do ask a lot??&lt;br /&gt;(…) if I wouldn't have liked the work then I wouldn't have persisted for four years.&lt;br /&gt;And yes, some men are also nothing, do you like every woman?? Do you want to fuck every woman? Even if she is rowdy?? Or aggressive?? Or just gives orders??&lt;br /&gt;You tell me.&lt;br /&gt;Is it so bad that I can't stand men who are unsympathetic, are annoying, and thinks because he pays he wants to do everything with you?? Even if you don't do certain acts?? After all, that has been informed [to the clients] by the escort agency then.&lt;br /&gt;Is it so bad then, that I can't stand men who put me to the test again and again, by crossing my boundaries??&lt;br /&gt;I also don't put a dildo in your ass, don't I?? If you don't want that?? I also wouldn't hurt you, wouldn't I?? Hahaha, can you imagine it??&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, be honest, we are sex objects and you the whore hoppers, you can present it nicely, but what's the difference. I would say, make a lot of fun, because you only live once. And life is what you make of it yourself.&lt;br /&gt;I wish you the best.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I tell her that I thought she worked on the Achterdam in Alkmaar)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You have read it well, I indeed work on the Achterdam in Alkmaar. Two years ago I also worked in Utrecht on the Zandpad.&lt;br /&gt;So when I was 18 years old, I first started with escort, (…), I only did that for a short while, because I wasn't satisfied with it that much. Because as a lady you also never know in front of a whose door you are standing, and dangerous.&lt;br /&gt;Then I worked for a while in a privéhuis [you know a club without a bar where the prostitutes are directly introduced to the clients in a separate room – Donkey] (…), afterwards together with a girlfriend in a club named (…) in Rotterdam. And then windows. But I just like variation, and you just try everything.&lt;br /&gt;But I now work for four years already, on many different locations, also worked in Antwerpen. But wherever I have worked, I have never witnessed slave trade or women under force.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(to the next prostitute!)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I also chatted with a young prostitute in 2005, aged 21 at that time. She initially was forced herself to work in prostitution, at the age of 14. At least, that's what I can remember.)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I asked her if it is true what the Scharlaken Koord says about most Dutch window prostitutes entering prostitution because of a bad boyfriend/loverboy. The Scharlaken Koord is a Christian organisation who works mainly on De Wallen in Amsterdam to support prostitutes and help them leave prostitution. They speak with many prostitutes, and they know a lot about window prostitutes. I also asked about the Eastern European prostitutes, are most forced to work?)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, I believe what the Scharlaken Koord claims could be true, but that's only the case in the beginning, so many girls leave such a guy after this, or they go to another. And yes, I do believe regarding the Eastern European girls that they have a pimp, how else must they get the money to come here, that cannot be earned there, look, all the things you need to migrate to another country?! And yes, mostly girls do have a partner, but look, forcing is a big word, let's say being tricked, and there are also lots of girls who have a man who simply accepts that his wife is doing it, you understand, it is 2005, the people think differently nowadays, yes, and if you want to live big, then you will have to work for it, whatever work that is, and if you have debts as a family for example, and you want to get out of it, you can choose for example, or the man will do illegal things, which causes the family to run the risk to lose your husband or father because of death or imprisonment, while you could also earn the same money and legal you understand???? That's how many people think nowadays?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I ask if she wants to name a percentage)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Real force, that's what I don't know, you can almost never see that from outside, and girls who are really forced don't work out in the open that quickly with girls who just work you understand, these people are way too afraid that another girl notices something, and then they will be in danger with respect to the police and the like, but a rough estimate I believe is 15%, but that is really undercover, they mostly don't work behind the windows, because behind the windows it will cost money regarding things like for example lingerie and make up and the like, and they would rather not spend it obviously, look a loverboy is different from a real human trafficker.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I asked her if she knows a place where there is absolutely no forced prostitution. I say that 15% is the lowest estimate I have heard)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you want to go to a nice brothel where there are nice and sociable girls, then it would be best to go to Camilla Privé, that's on the Sonsbeeksingel 2 in Arnhem, and there are no forced girls there as far as I know! Look, and you say that it is the lowest estimate that you have ever heard, but forcing in my opinion is when a man threatens you with things, where you don't work I will shoot your mother to pieces and those sort of things! Things like honey, I need money, my rims are done for or something, in my opinion that's the own choice of the girls, well, fair's fair, here in the Netherlands there are many ways to find help, and if you have a girl behind the windows it is even more difficult to force her! Because one step outside of the door and you are free and the police comes walking by quite regularly. And what is all told to you is from my own experience, I haven't dreamt it up, it so happens that I was 14 years old when I had my first client on De Walletjes [she means De Wallen]. So in the mean time I work 7 years already.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I talk with other clients of prostitutes on a forum about alleys where forced prostitutes work in window prostitution areas. She responds to that discussion)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Stoofsteeg Amsterdam Wallen, called the pimp alley among people of De Wallen and Sint Annendwarsstraat, Dollebegijnensteeg, Trompettersteeg, all 4 full with such girls, but don't even think about making the world a better place!!! People who haven't been in the same boat don't know how it's working!!! Boys, just forget it, it just won't work, it never will!!! The love of a prostitute for her partner goes straight through everything. Once they love somebody, prostitutes are often as loyal as a dog then! Why do some girls stay for years with a man who demolishes them, literally and metaphorically!!! They have to recognise that themselves, and when that doesn't happen then nothing succeeds! And if you want to drive apart two "lovers" they will only grow more towards each other. And if you do actually succeed to bring such a girl to other thoughts, she possibly will revolt and then the little courage and self-confidence that she has for a short while, will be truly kicked, spat and beaten out!!! So if you want to help these girls, then just simply leave them alone!! They will find out themselves, they truly will….. I also found out!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(On the forum I talk about what brothel owners can do about forced prostitution. They could just refuse forced prostitutes, have a talk with them first, how long have they been working, ask questions about if their boyfriends have debts, etc… I ask how many clients would stop visiting prostitutes if they would truly realise how many women they visit are forced and manipulated to do this. She responded to that message)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can take it from me that nobody will stop visiting prostitutes! Look, if you are an owner of a brothel it's another story, and then you can do something, then you just honestly tell that girl that you have the feeling that she doesn't fit into your house, then it's easily done, that's even the most friendly way! And yes, it's all true what you say, but only as an outsider, if you at least are that then I advise you to stay out of it! It's all very awful, but they say that prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, but what do you think who has gotten her this far that she started to do this work?????? Ah yes, right, so as long as there are whores there are pimps!!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You must just do your own thing, and just see with your own eyes what will happen if you will frustrate the pimps, because according to them that would be just like taking the breath out of their mouths! But you have to know for yourself, good luck!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I showed her the link to the article written by Ruth Hopkins about the slave trade on De Wallen where she explains about the Turkish gang of Saban B and some other groups of pimps, also about the pimp called 'Lion' in the article, here's the link: &lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.debalie.nl/artikel.jsp?podiumid=digitale&amp;amp;articleid=44036"&gt;&lt;em&gt;http://www.debalie.nl/artikel.jsp?podiumid=digitale&amp;amp;articleid=44036&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt; , Slavenhandel op de wallen, NRC Handelsblad, October 1, 2005)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You are right, I know that boy Lion personally, his name is not Lion however, but Dragon, named after the dragon in his neck, and I also know the other Turks, but they have never made moves towards me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I ask her if Dragon is a handsome boy)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ah yes, the only thing I can say is that they all pay a looooot of attention to their appearance, well, even when an ape wears a golden ring, he is and always will be an ugly thing......... not personally intended against him, but eh, he has left the business a very long time ago, together with a Moroccan girl, so I have heard, and pleasantly calm nowadays! This is called pimp on retirement ahahhaa.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I complain to her that nobody responds to me anymore, and I tell her that I want to interview pimps on De Wallen)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When you do that then you are reeeeeeeally stupid I tell you, and don't you understand yourself why people don't respond anymore? Those percentages are nonsense and for people who have nothing better to do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;(I also chatted with an older window prostitute in 2005, who was born in 1973. She must have been 32 at the time. She says that a lot of her colleagues are independent. I asked her how many of her colleagues were forced to work in prostitution by pimps human traffickers and loverboys)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm actually not in the mood to do this, but just to give an answer..&lt;br /&gt;I think that the percentages are a little like 50/50 where I work.&lt;br /&gt;And no, I have never worked for a pimp.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-8895545155616174646?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/8895545155616174646/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=8895545155616174646' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/8895545155616174646'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/8895545155616174646'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2012/01/interviews-with-prostitutes-part-1.html' title='Interviews with prostitutes - part 1'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-4502103111604621029</id><published>2011-12-23T19:27:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2011-12-24T19:57:21.200+01:00</updated><title type='text'>The myth of 'being in love'</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have ranted against labour in general, now I also want to rant against romantic love.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my opinion romantic love is a 19th-century invention by romanticists. They launched the idea that being fond of a person automatically means that you should have sex with that person. They invented the idea of being in love. Being in love is supposed to mean that you want to marry that person, or that you want sex with that person. I want to argue that in historical times, people didn't really have sex with each other and they only had a sexual relationship with each other or were married to each other, because their families demanded that. There was absolutely no possibility that two persons could choose to be romantically involved with each other. Sexual or romantic relationships were completely a family matter. The family decided whom should marry whom. This is true for all non-Western civilisations, and also true for Western civilisation itself in previous centuries. This is probably the case for many thousands or perhaps hundreds of thousands of years. It is unlikely that the ability to fall in love with a person could ever develop in human beings solely for the purpose of procreation. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe, that being in love is really nothing more than being very fond of a person. You are actually mad about that person. You think about that person the whole day. You are obsessed with that person. Seeing or thinking about that person sends butterflies to your stomach. I believe that this feeling has nothing to do with sexuality, a feeling that less than half of the human population is able to have because the testosterone levels of only these people are high enough to be able to have sexual feelings. There is absolutely no reason to believe that being very fond of a person automatically means that you want to penetrate that person and want to pee in that person. Or that you want to masturbate while thinking about that person. Or that you want to fuck between the breasts of that person and cum in her face. Or that you want to fuck her doggystyle, and cum on her back while afterwards you spread the spunk out on her back with your bare naked hands. Personally, when I am in love, I don't have sexual fantasies about that person. For me the person I am in love with, is like a fairy princess. A Goddess. You don't have sex with a Goddess.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe romantic love is totally unrelated to sexuality. I think being fond of a person is nothing more than a mechanism to bring people within a human tribe closer to each other. It increases their survival. I think it is possible to be very fond of multiple persons at one time. Usually when you are very fond of a person, you feel the desire to hug or kiss that person, or to stroke that person's hair. You want to be close to that person. You are supposed to be gay when you want to kiss or hug a person of your own sex. Isn't that awful? And it's all the fault of the 19th century romanticists. Yes, the same romanticists who launched the myth of the Noble Wild Man/Woman. The Wildman who lives in harmony with mother nature. Who knows no evil. Yes, the same romanticists who launched the idea that people of all religions lived in harmony with each other in mediaeval northern Africa, southern Europe and the Middle East.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People in past centuries and non-Western civilisations didn't really have sex. They didn't even kiss with the people they are supposed to be married with. They didn't cuddle, or stroke each other's hair. They didn't even use many positions during sex. They didn't have oral sex. Oral sex was seen as absolutely repulsive by all cultures. There was only one position, the missionary position. Then you might argue that in the past there were books such as the Kama Sutra, and that there were Greek vases and wall paintings which depicted sexual acts. That is supposed to show that people at that time were actually very open-minded about sexuality. However, I have read that the Kama Sutra actually was a parody of a local royal house. And the Greek depictions of sexuality were actually made to make people laugh. They weren't examples to show what kind of sexual activities people liked at that time. They showed what people at that time found repulsive or hilarious. For instance, a woman who rides a man. The man was supposed to be on top, not the woman. Such paintings were also found in bathhouses. They covered the walls of dressing rooms. The intention was that people who undressed looked at the pictures, and not at each other. People at that time in ancient Greece were scared of the so-called evil eye. People were ashamed to be looked at while being naked.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe people should break free off the myth. Having a romantic relationship with each other is absolute slavery. What a stupid idea that being fond of another person than the person whom you are supposed to be having a relationship with, should make your so-called lover jealous. That you should be beaten up because of that. You often hear that the problem with spousal violence doesn't lie in romantic relationships, but in the patriarchy. The problem is supposed to lie in men who abuse women. But that is false. It turns out that lesbian and gay couples are more violent than heterosexual couples. That proves to me that the problem doesn't lie in heterosexual relationships per se, but in relationships in general. Romantic lovers are slaves of each other. That's why there is so much violence. People can't easily break free from each other within romantic relationships, that's why they attack each other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my world view, there will be no more romantic or sexual relationships, even no one-night-stands. Everybody will be single. Women can decide when to have children and of which man. And the man in turn can approve that he is used as a sperm donor. The sperm is transferred via tubes. There will be no masturbation, for the man is forced to think about oppressing women while extracting the sperm this way. This must be prevented. The sperm is directly distracted from the penis using a piston. The children will be raised within anarcho-syndicalistic communes where men and women are totally equal, there are no separate male and female role models.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Granted, I'm looking for a girlfriend myself. I failed. I am subjected to cultural pressure myself. I want to break free. I don't need a woman to be happy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I actually dream a lot about visiting red light districts again. They usually are very weird in my dreams. The Zandpad was on the coastline of an ocean. You could only reach it by going down on a rope. It was very crowded. I dream about window brothels within common apartment buildings and shopping centres. That was very weird. I also encountered an open sex brothel with beds sprawled out in the gallery of a common apartment building. There were lots of prostitutes in the gallery. I crossed the space and one prostitutes grabbed me and pushed her body against me. I wondered where I could have sex with her, because I didn't want to do it out in the open. I left the building and by accident I encountered a person I know in daily life. I felt a bit ashamed to be there. The other person also seem to be embarrassed, because she had to walk right through the brothel area. I also dreamt that I was riding in a train, and the compartment was filled with prostitutes. Two prostitutes sat down right beside me. I wondered where we could have sex. In the toilet? On the train station the platform was filled with prostitutes sitting in rows. I even dreamt that I drove to Amsterdam by car to visit the red light district there. I am incapable of driving cars however. I dreamt that I showed a file from rechtspraak.nl to another client of prostitutes, to prove to him that a particular prostitute on the Zandpad was forced. Other clients also became involved, and they were very unhappy about it. In the dream I forgot the name of the prostitute. When I woke up I realised that actually she was a camgirl. However, I never dream about actual sex with prostitutes.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-4502103111604621029?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/4502103111604621029/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=4502103111604621029' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/4502103111604621029'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/4502103111604621029'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/12/myth-of-being-in-love.html' title='The myth of &apos;being in love&apos;'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-6565220041940257097</id><published>2011-12-19T21:27:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2011-12-24T20:19:03.698+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Two Romanian forced prostitutes in Haarlem</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And another file from rechtspraak.nl. You can find it here (it has LJN-number: BC2645):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BC2645"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BC2645&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I really get bored of all that translating. But at least it helps for me. I haven't been to a prostitute for almost 2 months. But it could also be because of boredom. I'm sick of it. It disgusts me to visit prostitutes nowadays. I hope it will stay that way forever, and that it won't happen that after some months my interest returns. That would be a disaster. Then I have to read all these verdicts all over again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The verdict that I partly translated in this post is about two Romanian teenagers who are forced to work in a Turkish cafe. I never visit prostitutes in Turkish cafes. I also don't visit prostitutes in hotels. And I never order a call girl. So I prefer not to write about these forms of prostitution, because I never use these. It doesn't scare me off. But from a scientific point of view these stories are interesting. They are horrifying, but also interesting, because we actually get to know something about forced prostitution that is for real, and it will be difficult to deny these stories. There is no doubt that it really happened. I also read verdicts about forced prostitution of Chinese prostitutes in Chinese hairdresser's saloons. And about Thai prostitutes who are forced to work as call girls. Usually these prostitutes have to pay off some kind of debt. So it really happens: prostitutes that live in debt bondage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I still have to read all the verdicts. It are around 500 of them. I have read most of them now. Most are very brief. I guess there are around 6000 or 7000 pages to be read in total. I believe I still have to read some 2000 or 3000 pages.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also have to stress - regarding this verdict - that when I mean the first-floor, I actually mean the floor above the ground floor. In American English that means the second floor. In British English the first-floor is the second floor in American English. In British English the second floor is the third floor in American English.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here is a translated section (this one is literal):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.3 Means of evidence:&lt;br /&gt;The court arrives at judicial finding of fact on the basis of the following means of evidence:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-The testimony made by the suspect during the hearing of the court, meaning - soberly represented - among other things:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is correct that in July 2004, I have lived for a month with [victim 1] and [victim 2] in a house in Haarlem.&lt;br /&gt;I have been with [fellow suspect] in the car a couple of times, when he drove [victim 1] and [victim 2] to the bar in Haarlem. When [fellow suspect] says that that happened six times, then it will be that way. I have also been in that bar myself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-The report of the complaint which has been drawn up in a lawful form, of [victim 1] (file page 45 - 54) in which that person has testified among other things - soberly represented:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was born on May 9, 1987.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2] is my girlfriend. [Victim 2] and I decided to find work abroad. Actually that initiative came from a friend of mine, his name is [friend]. I believe that it was in June of this year, 2004, it could have also been July, that I spoke with [friend] again. In any case, it was after the end of school. [Friend] told me that he had a friend who lived in the Netherlands. And this friend possibly was supposed to be able to arrange work for [victim 2] and me. This work was supposed to be scrubbing work.&lt;br /&gt;[Friend] put me in contact with a friend of his, named [suspect]. [Suspect] was the friend of [friend] who lived in the Netherlands. I only had contact with that person by telephone. [Suspect] phoned to me on the telephone of [friend] and then spoke with me. He told that I could earn approximately 1000 euro per month in the Netherlands with cleaning activities. We didn't really speak about where we would live in the Netherlands. [Suspect] would take care of that.&lt;br /&gt;Finally, [victim 2], me and [friend] have departed. We went with the car of [friend] to the border. We were picked up there with a little bus. With that little bus we went to Germany. En route we have also eaten. [Victim 2] and I had no money and we have asked the chauffeur to give us some food because we had no money. [Suspect] would pay that later. He had told this through the telephone earlier on. He would also arrange and pay for the trip. He had told that we had to pay back later. We were picked up in Germany by a man named [fellow suspect]. He told that he came on behalf of [suspect]. [Victim 2] and I subsequently stepped into the car in which he was sitting.&lt;br /&gt;In Den Haag we went to the house of [fellow suspect]. We met [suspect] there.&lt;br /&gt;During one evening, [suspect] and [fellow suspect] spoke in English together, about [victim 2] and me. They spoke about the work that we should do. I could hear them talking about prostitution work. That [victim 2] and I should be doing. I could hear that they talked about that they didn't know how they had to do that, because [victim 2] was 16 years old and I was 17 years old. They talked about giving us false passports. I went upstairs and I have told it to [victim 2]. We both were very frightened. Because we really didn't want to do that. We then decided to leave. But the problem was that the house was equipped with an alarm installation. [Fellow suspect] had our passports. He had those in his jacket pocket, so we couldn't take these.&lt;br /&gt;The following morning, [fellow suspect] told to [victim 2] and me that we had to work in prostitution. I told that I wasn't going to do that. I then was beaten by [fellow suspect]. He kicked me multiple times against my legs. He subsequently grabbed me by my throat with his hands and he squeezed.&lt;br /&gt;[Fellow suspect] brought us to McDonald's and there a man waited for us. [Fellow suspect] had told us that we weren't allowed to tell that man how old we were. That man gave us something to eat in Macdonald's and after this we went with him to a house. In the house the man explained to us what kind of work we had to do. So this was prostitution work. We subsequently told that we were 16 and 17 years old. The man has brought us to the house of [fellow suspect] and told [fellow suspect] what we had told him. [Fellow suspect] flew into a rage and he started to beat me and he put his hands around my throat and squeezed hard. [Suspect] wasn't in the house anymore and [fellow suspect] phoned him. [Suspect] came to the house and was angry at us. He was angry at us, because we had told to that man at McDonald's that we were minor. He said that we came here to earn money. [Suspect] subsequently told [fellow suspect] that he knew somebody in Haarlem where we could work, so that we could earn money for false passports. [Suspect] has also threatened to beat us if we wouldn't do what they said. We were afraid for [suspect] as well as [fellow suspect].&lt;br /&gt;The very same day, we were brought by [fellow suspect] and [suspect] to Haarlem. They brought us to a Turkish bar, named [bar]. [Fellow suspect] and [suspect] have explained every chapter what we had to do with men. That means the acts. [Suspect] told that we had to do everything and explained that we also had to anally and orally satisfy men. I received condoms from [suspect]. [Victim 2] and I received two clients each day. A man came into the cafe and I subsequently had to go with that man to his house. The man paid money to [suspect] in advance. Afterwards, the client brought me back to the cafe again. Running away was not possible, because [suspect] kept an eye on us and he had warned clients. They had to phone him if we would run away. We have worked from that cafe for approximately a month. From the money that [victim 2] and I earned in that cafe, I have never seen money.&lt;br /&gt;After that first time to have worked in that cafe, we were given a house in Haarlem. [Victim 2] and I lived together in the house. [Fellow suspect] and [suspect] had said that we weren't allowed to go outside. [Suspect] went shopping for us. We didn't run away, because we were supervised continuously. In the cafe, [fellow suspect] or [suspect] or the patron were present. The clients brought us to their house and after the sex they brought us back to the cafe. When we left the cafe in the morning, we were brought by [suspect], [fellow suspect] or the patron [patron]. [Victim 2] and I went into the house and the door was locked behind us from the outside. It was a house on the first floor. The balcony door was also locked. [Fellow suspect] had removed the key and taken it with him.&lt;br /&gt;On Thursday and Friday we mostly had 3 or 4 clients and the rest of the week we had mostly 1 or 2 clients.&lt;br /&gt;After approximately a month, [fellow suspect] told me that he had a client who wanted a girl for a week and he paid €3000 for that. I was taken by [fellow suspect] to that man. His name was [client] (the court understands: [client]). He wanted to have sex with me during the morning and the evening.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-The report of the interrogation which has been drawn up in a lawful form, of complainant [victim 1] (file page 56 - 70) in which that person has testified among other things - soberly represented:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Friend] has not been honest with us. He hasn't told us the truth about what we were going to do in the Netherlands. In case he would have proposed to me in Romania to go to the Netherlands to work in prostitution, I would certainly not have departed.&lt;br /&gt;I came to the Netherlands in July 2004.&lt;br /&gt;[Friend] has told us in Romania that [suspect] had a friend who was named [fellow suspect 2]. I met him for the first time at the petrol station in Germany. He was there together with [fellow suspect].&lt;br /&gt;The second evening, when we already were in the house of [fellow suspect] in Amstelveen, [fellow suspect 2] and [fellow suspect] came to our room in the attic.&lt;br /&gt;Both [fellow suspect] as well as [fellow suspect 2] forced us to give a blowjob to both of them. We had to learn this by their order to service the clients later on. This was accompanied with violence. Our clothes were torn off our bodies. We subsequently were forced to have sexual intercourse with both [fellow suspect] as well as [fellow suspect 2]. I first had to do it with [fellow suspect] and [victim 2] with [fellow suspect 2]. We subsequently had to switch and I had to have sex with [fellow suspect 2] and [victim 2] had to have sex with [fellow suspect].&lt;br /&gt;So I was forced during that evening, to have sex with the both [fellow suspect 2] as well as with [fellow suspect]. I have seen that [victim 2] had sex with [fellow suspect] and also with [fellow suspect 2]. We were in the same space.&lt;br /&gt;[Fellow suspect] said that we would be going to Haarlem to work. He told that [victim 2] and I would be working in prostitution at an acquaintance of his. He told that we would be brought by [fellow suspect 2] and [suspect] to a cafe/bar in Haarlem to work there. He said that what we have learnt you, you also have to do with clients. I understood from this that he meant sex.&lt;br /&gt;[Fellow suspect] drove us to the cafe. [Fellow suspect 2] and [suspect] also drove along with us. I saw that the cafe was named [bar]. We were given the order in the cafe to make contact with clients. This was what both [fellow suspect 2] as well as [suspect] told. When we had a client, then this person had to negotiate with and pay to [fellow suspect 2] or [suspect].&lt;br /&gt;After the work we went to a house in the neighbourhood of the big church. [Victim 2] and I went with [fellow suspect 2] and [suspect] to the house. [Fellow suspect 2] and [suspect] stayed with us.&lt;br /&gt;[Client] lived in Amsterdam. I met [witness 2] and [witness 1] at [client]'s place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-The report of the complaint which has been drawn up in a lawful form, of [victim 2] (file page 75 - 78) in which that person has testified among other things - soberly represented:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was born on August 3, 1988.&lt;br /&gt;For a very long time, I have a girlfriend named [victim 1]. I went to the Netherlands with her.&lt;br /&gt;In the summer of 2004, we got to know a man in Romania, named [man].&lt;br /&gt;[Man] told us that we could earn a lot of money in the Netherlands.&lt;br /&gt;He told me that I did have to pay nothing for the trip, but when we would have earned money in the Netherlands, we had to pay 700 euro to a friend of his, named [suspect]. This [suspect] would give us accommodation in the Netherlands and provide work. This was in July 2004. We drove to Germany. In Germany we transferred into a passenger car. The driver of this passenger car was [fellow suspect]. [Fellow suspect] drove us from Germany to Den Haag. In the house, [suspect] was also present. [Suspect] is a Romanian.&lt;br /&gt;After we had arrived in Den Haag, we were allowed to rest for one day. After this, it was told to us that we had to work in prostitution. We cried and said that we were supposed to have other work. [Suspect] and [fellow suspect] said that we should just go to the police then. They would arrest us and apprehend us, because we were minor. So they said to us that we had to work in prostitution. They told us what we had to do and how much money we had to ask. They also took care of condoms.&lt;br /&gt;We were brought to Haarlem to a club. The first days, [fellow suspect] and [suspect] also stayed in the club when we were there. We then had to go with a man to his house. We then had sex there. After this, we were brought back by them. We have worked there for approximately 3 weeks. In the beginning, when [fellow suspect] and [suspect] were still present in the club when we worked, the clients paid the money to them. Later on, we had to hand over our money to [suspect] and [fellow suspect].&lt;br /&gt;One time I had sex with [suspect] and one time with [fellow suspect].&lt;br /&gt;I felt forced to do that, as it were.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-The report of the interrogation which has been drawn up in a lawful form, of complainant [victim 2] (file page 79 - 92) in which that person has testified among other things - soberly represented:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was 15 years old when I arrived in the Netherlands. In Germany, [victim 1] and I were picked up at a petrol station by two men, named [fellow suspect] and [fellow suspect 2]. The chauffeur of the little bus by which we drove to Germany, gave the passports to [fellow suspect 2] and he gave them to [fellow suspect]. We were brought in the Netherlands to an apartment building. In the apartment building, we got acquainted with [suspect].&lt;br /&gt;[Fellow suspect 2] crept into bed with me and he has said to me that I had to show what I could do, because for that reason I came to the Netherlands. I did actually understand what he meant, but I made clear to him that I didn't want to do this and that I would go to the police. He then grabbed me by my throat and said that I was never allowed to say the word police anymore.&lt;br /&gt;[Fellow suspect 2] took off my clothes with violence and he has beaten me. He forced me to have sex with him. This was the first time that I had sexual intercourse. I also had to give him a blowjob.&lt;br /&gt;The next day, [suspect] told that we had to work. [Suspect] told that we had to sleep with men for money. [Suspect] told that we would be going to a club or bar. [Suspect] started to explain after this, that he had bought condoms for the work. Then I had to give a blowjob and fuck. The sex had to take place in the home of the clients. During the evening, [fellow suspect] has picked us up with the car. We went with the four of us to a cafe in Haarlem: [fellow suspect], [suspect], [victim 1] and me. [Suspect] said to us that we had to be attentive, so that we would get attention from men. I had to approach the men or start dancing. There were men who were interested in me. They wanted to go to bed with me then. The men came to [suspect] at his table. I have seen that the men paid to [suspect]. They have all paid the bill to [suspect]. Every time I went with the client to his house. [Fellow suspect] came to pick us up after this night and drove us back to the house. [Fellow suspect] came to pick us up then again during the evening, and we went to the bar again. With us I mean: [suspect], [victim 1] and me.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] collected the money. When we came home without money, we received a beating. [Suspect] pulled my hair. I received beatings against my face. [Suspect] said that he went to bed with me, because I refused to go to bed with clients. He then had intercourse with me in the living room.&lt;br /&gt;[Fellow suspect] had a client, named [client], who wanted [victim 1]. [Victim 1] was brought by [fellow suspect] to [client]. She stayed a couple of nights with [client]. I was brought to a place where [victim 1] was. I believe that was in Amsterdam. Two other girls were there, [witness 1] and [witness 2].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-The report of the interrogation which has been drawn up in a lawful form, of complainant [victim 2] by the examining judge at the day of October 15, 2007, in which that person has testified among other things - soberly represented:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our passports have been given in Romania to the bus chauffeur by [friend]. [Suspect] sent money from the Netherlands to make our passports. [Friend] let these be made. It was the intention that when we worked we would pay back the costs to [suspect].&lt;br /&gt;They didn't search a job for us in catering, but brought us to a cafe to sleep with men. When we didn't want to, we received a beating in our face from [suspect]. That happened at home and not in the cafe. Aside from that, there were threats every day with physical violence. That happened every time by [suspect] and also by [fellow suspect 2], but he has only threatened.&lt;br /&gt;It hadn't been discussed with [friend] that our work would be in prostitution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-The report of the interrogation which has been drawn up in a lawful form, of fellow suspect [fellow suspect] (file page 161 - 168) in which that person has testified among other things - soberly represented:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I came into contact with two boys. They asked me if I wanted to pick up two nieces in Germany. [Name] drove along with me when I picked up these two girls in Stuttgart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-The report of the interrogation which has been drawn up in a lawful form, of fellow suspect [fellow suspect] (file page 171 - 177) in which that person has testified among other things - soberly represented:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the times that I have said the name [name] earlier on, I mean [fellow suspect 2] with that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-The report of the interrogation which has been drawn up in a lawful form, of fellow suspect [fellow suspect] (file page 181 - 186) in which that person has testified among other things - soberly represented:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] is one of the cousins.&lt;br /&gt;I have brought away the girls approximately ten times from the house in Haarlem to the cafe or, at least in the neighbourhood. [Suspect] accompanied us approximately six times.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-The report of the interrogation which has been drawn up in a lawful form, of witness [witness 2] (file page 117 - 120) in which that person has testified among other things - soberly represented:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Witness 1] and I went to [client] one time and then we saw [victim 1] with [client]. [Client] is [client], he lives in Amsterdam Noord. [Victim 1] asked for help. She spoke about [suspect] who beats her up and that she had to play whore.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-The report of the interrogation on the day of June 11, 2006 which has been drawn up in a lawful form, of witness [witness 1] (file page 123 - 127) in which that person has testified among other things - soberly represented:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Approximately two or three years ago, I got to know [victim 2] and [victim 1]. I got to know [victim 2] and [victim 1] at [client]'s place. [Client] lived in Amsterdam Noord, in the [a-street].&lt;br /&gt;I knew in the meantime, that came over the floor on more occasions girls at [client]'s place sometimes. These girls then came for the sex. With [client].&lt;br /&gt;[Fellow suspect] and [suspect] visited [client] every now and then. They did business with him regarding [victim 1] and later also regarding [victim 2]. I have seen [fellow suspect] and [suspect] in [client]'s home one time. I know about [client] that they have been in his home on more occasions at that time.&lt;br /&gt;[Client] and I have spoken with each other about [victim 1]. [Client] told me that he was actually willing to "buy" [victim 1]. It so happened that he wanted that [victim 1] got her freedom back. He would supposedly, after he had bought her, receive her passport. Her passport was in the possession of [fellow suspect] and [suspect]. But [client] had to pay enormous amounts of money to [suspect]. I don't know how much, but I believe this concerns thousands of euros.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-The report of the interrogation which has been drawn up in a lawful form, of witness [witness ?]&amp;nbsp;by the examining judge on the day of December 20, 2007 in which that person has testified among other things - soberly represented:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2] and [victim 1] worked in prostitution for [fellow suspect] and [suspect]. [Client] had told me that [victim 1] sometimes came to him for paid love. He arranged the finances with [suspect].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-A written piece, namely a Dutch translation of findings of the Romania authorities which - soberly represented - means among other things that on March 17, 2004, the suspect left the country and he came back on August 18, 2004.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-6565220041940257097?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/6565220041940257097/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=6565220041940257097' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/6565220041940257097'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/6565220041940257097'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/12/two-romanian-forced-prostitutes-in.html' title='Two Romanian forced prostitutes in Haarlem'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-6918579990445640100</id><published>2011-12-16T19:03:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-12-23T19:31:36.351+01:00</updated><title type='text'>La Revolución</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm bored by translating all these verdicts from &lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/"&gt;www.rechtspraak.nl&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I want to reinvent myself as a philosopher.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First I have to offer my apologies because I use some bad English. I lately discovered that when you get acquainted with a person, you don't say that you "get to learn" that person. You actually say that you "get to know" that person. It took me a long time to correct all the errors on my blog regarding getting acquainted with a person. On the other hand, I think I made a lot more errors, but I'm not aware of those. So, perhaps I should put it to rest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to make some philosophical statements. You often hear people say that prostitution is just work. I think they are correct, if you only remove the word "just". The implication would be, using the word "just", that prostitution is as harmless as any other job. I don't think work other than prostitution is harmless at all. Many jobs are dangerous. The most obvious examples are: mining, wood chopping, fighting wars, fishing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But if you think about it longer, then the list becomes longer. Many people nowadays work full-time behind a computer. You must realise how dangerous that is. From my own experience I know that a person can become handicapped for a lifetime. You can catch a common disease called repetitiveness strain injury, nowadays also known as: complaints in the arms, neck and shoulders. This is a horrible illness that can make you disabled for life. And this is all caused by a "harmless" activity called: working behind a computer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are other jobs done by many people, but which are also very dangerous. Think about working as a nurse. From what I hear and read, many nurses stop working before the age of 40 because their bodies are worn out. Working as a nurse, that is lifting all these overweight people, destroys your back, your spine. I read that if you lift a lightweight person even with the help of another person, that this is also too big of a burden for your spine. I have also read that many people who work in healthcare or in social work suffer from a lot of violence from the people they are supposed to be helping. Just like prostitutes do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And you can name many other examples. Also think about construction workers. Their backs are destroyed when they are 40. What I mean to say is that:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;LABOUR IS DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I want to go further. I want to say that all labour is slavery. Yes, ALL labour is slavery!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All labour is a violation of human rights. All violations of human rights should be prevented at all costs. So that means that all labour should be abolished. People are always hurt in systems of labour. Always. They always incur mental and physical damage by working. Just like prostitution does. That’s why prostitutes are generally not more traumatised compared to the general population. Because work in general is as dangerous and humiliating as prostitution is. (Yes, it is true that prostitutes are generally not more traumatised than the rest of the population, read &lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2010/06/no-link-between-working-in-prostitution.html"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;on my blog to find out why)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But there is a problem. I have thought long about it. And I must conclude that for all practical purposes, labour cannot be totally abolished. The question that automatically arises is: who produces all the food? Who takes care of all the sick people? Who builds all the shelters to hide from the rain and snow?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a big problem. But I have found the solution. What we can do is that we don't completely abolish labour, just yet. We work towards a situation where all the labour becomes minimised. We only work to produce those things or needs that we strictly need to survive. Nothing more. No entertainment, eat no more food than we need, no single persons who live in large single houses. Live with 10 people in one room! We are social beings after all. We must also minimise consumption. Because minimising consumption automatically leads to minimising labour.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The good thing is that this plan neatly coincides with another big goal: the goal to minimise the ecological footprint of all the people on the planet. Because as it turns out, people put a much too heavy burden on the resources of the planet. Which results in not only destroying the ecosystem, but also ourselves, because we depend on the ecosystem. The ecosystem can live perfectly without us. But we cannot live without the ecosystem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Within several decades all resources have been depleted. Resources like: Gold, iron, copper, coal, you name it. It will all have been depleted. There even are predictions that within 30 years the world's oceans and waters have been depleted of all fish. To prevent this to happen we should take drastic measures. We should bow deeply for mother nature.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We should eat no animal products, because to create 1kg of dry animal product you need more than 3kg of plant product. We should all become vegans!!! This has also another positive result. We minimise the unnecessary torture of animals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is my contention that minimising the human rights violation called labour, automatically has the result that our ecological footprint is also minimised. This way we hit two flies in one blow. By minimising&amp;nbsp; the amount of products we buy, we also minimise the indirect harm done to people in countries far far away. We minimise the brutal abuse perpetrated by the evil psychopathic people called “employers”. The rapes perpetrated by them, the exploitation, the torture, the physical abuse, the mental abuse, the sexual abuse, the torture of animals. That is all minimised. And as a plus we have minimised our ecological footprint!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what does this all has to do with prostitution? Obviously, prostitution is a human rights violation. It is slavery after all, like all labour is slavery, like all slavery is a human rights violation. Remember, all violations of human rights should be stopped at all costs. People are used in prostitution as living blowup dolls, as living receptacles for male semen, they are examined like cattle on a cattle market, they are dehumanised. They suffer from unwanted intrusions into their bodies. They suffer from unwanted intimate contact with the hands, penises, bodies of strangers. Things that are impossible to prevent for prostitutes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Like I said, we cannot abolish all labour yet, but we can minimise it. Prostitution is not strictly necessary to survive. We need food, shelter from rain and snow, and we need healthcare. Nothing more. From this point of view it is desirable to stop all prostitution. So that means, never visit prostitutes. We do actually need healthcare, so unfortunately nurses are necessary. We do need food, so unfortunately farmers are also necessary. We do need houses, so unfortunately construction workers and mechanics are necessary. But at least they are at there for our survival. The work they do is absolutely humiliating, dangerous, bad for the body and bad for the heart. But unfortunately we cannot survive without them. We can survive without prostitutes. The harm done to prostitutes is not necessary, because we don't need prostitutes in order to survive. Minimising the harm of all labour, means to stop abusing all prostitutes. It means to stop visiting ALL prostitutes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the long-term we can think about replacing all labour done by people, by robots. But that can only be done when the human population has severely dropped below its current level. Otherwise the ecological footprint becomes too high. To be honest, that's one downside. Robots probably have a large ecological footprint. So that's contrary to the goal of minimising all labour.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another point is that in order to minimise our ecological footprint we also need to spread our wealth equally. For all practical purposes that boils down to Communism. I see no other way. That is not to say that we should create societies like Joseph Stalin or Pol Pot did. We should have freedom of speech, freedom of organising, freedom of religion, and freedom of having your own thoughts and opinions. But within the limits of what Mother Earth can provide to us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Within such a society there is no need for people to sell their sexuality. Because a communistic society doesn't allow people to have no food, no drink, no shelter from rain and snow, and no healthcare. It is always given to them. So prostitution will definitely not be necessary anymore.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The only point is: I have to put this all into practice myself.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-6918579990445640100?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/6918579990445640100/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=6918579990445640100' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/6918579990445640100'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/6918579990445640100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/12/la-revolucion.html' title='La Revolución'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-7937260862115174823</id><published>2011-12-15T19:11:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2011-12-26T21:25:17.822+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Saban and the gang - part 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I now want to talk about the evil brothers Nuri T and Pehlul T, who both belonged to the gang of Saban B. They are cousins of Saban B. Nuri T is also known as Monti.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nuri T led the way for the rest of the gang. He was the first to come with his girlfriend to De Wallen in Amsterdam around 1998. A couple of months later Saban and Hasan followed suit. They probably became the biggest forced prostitution gang in Amsterdam, with over 30 pimps. It ended in February 2007 with the arrest of Saban and many other pimps. Although still some bodyguards remained who terrorized the girls.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to quote from two verdicts that you can find on rechtspraak.nl. Those verdicts have the LJN-numbers: BP5092 and BP7250. The first is about Nuri T, the latter about Pehlul T. Those two verdicts show many overlaps, because the activities of the two brothers strongly intertwine. You can find the files here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BP5092"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BP5092&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BP7250"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BP7250&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obviously all the testimonies are "soberly represented" and not literal representations. They have been tampered with by the people of the court to make them more readable. Actually, that's true for all testimonies in the verdict files on rechtspraak.nl, except for the wiretapped telephone conversations. There are many wiretapped telephone conversations in the verdicts of the two brothers, but I will mostly skip them because they are so chaotic. But they do provide extra evidence in case you don't believe the stories told by the women.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And now some translated bits from LJN BP5092 (I changed the introductory lines by the way, and I completed some of the first names of the pimps):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Means of evidence for [person 24] (facts 1 and 2)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The testimony of [person 24], born in 1976 (October 22, 2009):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am still working in prostitution and I do that since the age of 20. I have met [suspect Nuri T] in Germany while I was 21 1/2 years old.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.&lt;br /&gt;Dropped&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. The testimony of [person 75] (January 26, 2010):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When the examining judge asks me how I know how he treats women then I say that I have often visited his wife [person 24]. When the examining judge asks me to further exemplify how [suspect Nuri T] treats women and how I know that, then I say that the fingertips of [person 24] literally fell off and she went working anyway. During the morning she went with the train to Dortmund, 06.00 hours in the morning, to let pins put into her neck as part of a checkup and that evening she was working again.&lt;br /&gt;Regarding this, I want to exemplify that [person 24] was dependent on [suspect Nuri T]. When the examining judge asks me what I mean with dependent, then I say that she was completely infatuated with [suspect Nuri T]. She didn't see [suspect Nuri T] for three weeks, because he stayed with other girlfriends and when she saw him then, she was in seventh heaven and she addressed him as "Askim", which means "my great love". [Person 24] was brought from and to her work. De Wallen was her life. She worked until seven o'clock in the morning, went to bed after that and woke up again at 10 o'clock. During the afternoon she went working again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. The testimony of [person 28] (September 27, 2010):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After three or four weeks I went working in prostitution. I started on Thursday in November 2006. I repeatedly sent money from the Netherlands to Turkey and sometimes I also brought money from [person 24] with me. [Suspect Nuri T] was a fugitive. He constantly needed money. [Suspect Nuri T] had no job and he lived off the money of [person 24] and me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. The testimony of [person 4] (February 9, 2010):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect Nuri T] is married to [person 24]. I got to know him shortly after I got to know [suspect Saban B]. That was in 2000 or 2001.&lt;br /&gt;When you ask me if I know what the source of income is of [suspect Nuri T], then I say: "Yes". Initially it was [person 24]. When you ask me to clarify this then I say that she worked for him in prostitution in Amsterdam. [Person 24] would have done everything for him. She preferably would have stood for 24 hours behind the window if that was possible. She wanted to offer him a life in gold. I mean with this that she wanted to offer him the same life as [suspect Saban B] also had.&lt;br /&gt;When you ask me how I know that [suspect Nuri T] took money from [person 24] and [person 32], then I say that they both told me that.&lt;br /&gt;When you ask me if I was sometimes present when [suspect Nuri T], like I have said, took money from one of these girls, then I say the following.&lt;br /&gt;I was present there in the house of [suspect Nuri T] and [person 24], that [suspect Nuri T] said to [person 24]: "Honey, where have you left the money?".&lt;br /&gt;When you ask me how long I worked in the Netherlands in prostitution then I say that for the first time it was from October 2000 until April 2001. Then I became pregnant. After that I believe from September 2004 until December 2004. I have spoken [person 24] for the last time during my pregnancy. That was in the summer of 2002.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7. A report of a police officer (February 23, 2006)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On February 23, 2006 I, officer, was approached by [person 55]. He declared the following. [Person 130] and [suspect Deniz S] work for [suspect Nuri T] and [suspect Ufuk T]. They have approximately ten girls working for them on De Wallen. In any case [person 24]. The girls that work for [suspect Nuri T] and [suspect Ufuk T], pay for their protection to [suspect Deniz S] and [person 130] approximately 750 euro per week.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;18. The testimony of [person 4] (November 22, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You ask me if I know something about the relationship between [person 24] and [suspect Nuri T]. What I know is that both were married and what I know that once in September 18, 2002 I picked her up from her work. She then had a high fever and she wasn't able to work anymore. I believe she had a fever of 40 degrees Celsius. I then picked her up and when I dropped her off at home, [suspect Nuri T] was very angry at her that she wasn't working. He believed that she simulated her illness. Even though you could clearly see that she really was ill. I also remember that [suspect Nuri T] was very angry that she went home just like that and wasn't working anymore.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Means of evidence for fact 2 ([person 28])&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The testimony of [person 28] (May 20, 2010):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mid-November 2006 I got to know [suspect Nuri T]. He has a nickname [suspect Nuri T]. He would be able to arrange something so that I could also work in prostitution. I told him about my private circumstances. That I needed money because of debts and the interior of a new house. That's why I was willing to do activities in prostitution. I went to have a conversation with him assuming that he could help me to have a job in prostitution. In the days after that we mixed often with each other. We had sex with each other. It was a little bit more than only a little sexual adventure. We had something like a start-up of a relationship. In between we sent a lot of SMS text messages to each other. After more than two weeks I went to Geleen and [suspect Nuri T] reported to me that he had a room for me. A room to work as a prostitute. I then sent an SMS text message that actually I didn't want to do that work, that actually I wanted to back off from it anyway. I then also sent an SMS text message that I did hope that we could still mix with each other all the same, despite my decision that I didn't want to start working as a prostitute, because I did like him anyway. I didn't want to anymore, but [suspect Nuri T] wanted me to do it anyway.&lt;br /&gt;As a result of the several SMS text messages, [suspect Nuri T] phoned to me and spoke to me about how I believed to get rid of my debts and how I wanted to pay my house now. He indicated to me that he was going to pick me up. After some conversations I gave my permission. I actually let me be persuaded. After that, [suspect Nuri T] immediately came to Geleen to pick me up. The next day I did actually start to work in prostitution. I was with [suspect Nuri T] in the sunbed studio. At the end of the afternoon, [suspect Ufuk T] and [person 40] came there. [Suspect Ufuk T] has a surname that begins with [….] or something like that (phonetically). In the course of the day we then went to De Wallen. [Suspect Nuri T] didn't attend this. [Suspect Ufuk T] and [person 40] accompanied me. [Suspect Ufuk T] dropped us off. [Suspect Nuri T] has said to me that I didn't have to worry, but that [person 40] would explain everything to me.&lt;br /&gt;After arriving on De Wallen, a window was rented next to [person 40], that is number 79, Oudezijdsvoorburgwal in Amsterdam. [Person 40] has explained to me that I had to ask 50 euro for 20 minutes of sexual acts. From that moment on, mid-November 2006 until mid-February 2010, I have structurally worked as a prostitute. Of the money that I earned I have paid rent for my apartment. I have handed over all the rest of the money that was left to [suspect Nuri T], who would save it. In my view we had a sort of steady relationship during that whole time. I went to Turkey multiple times. For two years I have been by turns for one week in the Netherlands and for one week in Turkey. The last year I mostly was for two months in the Netherlands and approximately one week in Turkey. When I went to [suspect Nuri T] in Turkey I always brought money with me for him. The money that I earned in prostitution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Remark by officer:&lt;br /&gt;Prior to this interrogation the complainant indicated that in the past she had a tattoo placed on her back. We officers also have seen this multiple times in the past, because this tattoo was very striking. Also because of the text that was mentioned with it, that is "Property of [Monti]". At this moment the complainant is busy removing this text. Photos of the former tattoo have been stored by the complainant on her own private computer. She has made them available to the officers. A photo has also been made by the second officer of the tattoo like it is at the present moment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. The testimony of [person 28]:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have written the SMS text messages that are present on page 46J/24749 to [suspect Nuri T]. I used [N] or [L] as a nickname. I came into contact with [suspect Nuri T]. Initially I did want to work in prostitution, but the more I thought about it, I didn't want it anyway. I was supposed to be working in Amsterdam. [Suspect Nuri T] persuaded me to start working anyway. He said that I couldn't do that because he had already arranged a room. I started mid-November 2006. He wanted to have money again and again. I repeatedly was supposed to stop with working as a prostitute, but again and again I had to keep on working. Even though it was my money, I saw nothing back of it. [Person 24] did also arrange the room. I put the money in the closet at home. [Suspect Saban B] has been apprehended earlier than [person 113]. We were in Turkey at that moment. [Suspect Nuri T] didn't return to the Netherlands with me. When [suspect Nuri T] still was in the Netherlands he simply took the money, but he asked for it from the moment he resided in Turkey. I repeatedly brought money from the Netherlands to Turkey and sometimes I also brought money from [person 24].&lt;br /&gt;At the beginning that I worked I was brought by taxi. After a couple of months I started to pay money to the bodyguard, namely €100 per week. [Suspect Nuri T] said that. The first three months [suspect Nuri T] kept me away from my mother.&lt;br /&gt;I had a tattoo placed on me. Together with [suspect Nuri T] I went to the tattoo shop. The tattoo became 'Property of [Monti]'. I did find that text beautiful, but it wasn't my choice. I did want a tattoo myself, but not with the text Property of [Monti]. I had the tattoo placed in the beginning of our relationship. I believe that has been in December 2006. At that time I was madly in love with him.&lt;br /&gt;File 16 is given to me. I can say about this that on photos 13 and 25 [suspect Nuri T] is depicted. I did also name [suspect Nuri T] Askim. [Suspect Nuri T] was his nickname. [Suspect Nuri T] used the identity of [O.F.T.].&lt;br /&gt;In the beginning the bodyguard, the unlicensed taxi driver and the like were arranged. I accompanied the girls. I was persuaded by [suspect Nuri T] to work in prostitution anyway, while I didn't want to anymore. I wanted to work with the idea that the money was for myself.&lt;br /&gt;I put down the money like I said. I did what all girls did. That was in the beginning and I wanted to join in with them. They also handed over their money and I adopted their habits. You are being played off against one another. I don't know why I gave the money to [suspect Nuri T]. He made promises, made plans for the future. I only was supposed to work for one year and then we were supposed to live in Turkey. He would open a shop for me, we would make babies and the like. I then wouldn't need to work anymore in Turkey. That's why I handed over the money.&lt;br /&gt;When I came to Amsterdam I have eaten in a restaurant with [suspect Nuri T]. Two or three days later I came back and we also had sex then. [Suspect Nuri T] and I entered into a relationship. I was in love with him. I let myself be persuaded by [suspect Nuri T] to start working. I heard that much money could be made. I then could pay off my debts. I fell for the beautiful words. I wanted to make my house beautiful, buy pieces of furniture and the like. Also the being in love played a role.&lt;br /&gt;I have seen [suspect Ferruh T] beating [person 40] a couple of times and there are stories that she had to jump into the cold water. Because of these stories you actually did keep on working longer to prevent that it would also happen to you. The others talked about their men. They are all the same anyway, those men. [Person 40] said for example: "My husband doesn't agree when I go home earlier". I did also hear stories about [suspect Nuri T], but you didn't believe those stories, because that wasn't the [suspect Nuri T] then I knew. But the stories did stay in your head. I actually did try harder to do my best to make sure not to experience that and to evade problems. [Suspect Nuri T] lived off the money of [person 24] and me.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect Nuri T] arranged the room during the first day that I went working. He put me behind the window anyway. If [suspect Nuri T] wouldn't have insisted then I wouldn't have ended up in prostitution. I have sent SMS text messages that I didn't want to, but I was persuaded to work anyway. In the period November 2006 until April 2007 I haven't visited my mother. [Suspect Nuri T] then said something like "don't do it anyway, I have made plans for tomorrow".&lt;br /&gt;My mother was really sick during that time and I wanted to go to her. When I was with my mother that day, [suspect Nuri T] phoned me the whole day. I then went back at 16.00 hours.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8. The testimony of [person 28] (May 25, 2010):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are enough stories about the procedures of [suspect Nuri T]. One of those stories is that when a girl of [suspect Nuri T] or one of his pimps doesn't do what is assigned to her, then such a girl is visited by a client. After letting the client in, it turns out however that he isn't a client, but a person who is sent on behalf of [suspect Nuri T]. That so-called client then beats up the girl.&lt;br /&gt;You ask me if this has also really happened sometimes. I can state the following about this.&lt;br /&gt;Several times it has been told by [suspect Nuri T] himself, that when a girl didn't pay or when she worked under the standard price, then one visited her and beat up the girl. I took that seriously, because of the way he said that. I also have witnessed several times that [suspect Nuri T] talked with other men about this. Also in the form: "do you still remember the girl that didn't pay then". Then an explanation followed of what one did to the girl and that always boiled down to violence. The way that [suspect Nuri T] said something to me and what he said made me frightened and made a threatening impression upon me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Means of evidence for fact 2 ([person 11])&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I now switch to LJN BP7250)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The testimony of [person 11], born [1982] (January 29, 2010):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When you ask me if I have worked in prostitution, then I say not worked, forced.&lt;br /&gt;I believe I started to work in prostitution when I was 22. I met [suspect Pehlul T] and I fell in love with him. He called himself [Y]. Once I had had sex with him I immediately had to work. I sometimes had to work from morning until late in the evening. When you ask me what I mean with "sometimes", then I say, that in the beginning I didn't know yet how I had to earn the amount of money and then I didn't have enough, then I had to keep on working longer. I had to earn thousand euro per day by order of [suspect Pehlul T]. When I hadn't earned enough I was beaten with a baseball bat by him, so that I went working again and earn the amount of money. I was also threatened by his brother. When you ask me how that was done the first time, then I say that [suspect Pehlul T] and the girls who already worked there had arranged a room. They immediately had a permanent room for me and that had already been paid for. [Suspect Pehlul T] said that I had to go working and that I had nothing to say about that. I was brought by a number of girls, I remember [person 24], to a room. They have explained to me what I had to do. Everywhere girls worked who belonged to them. You were only allowed to talk with a girl of the nearest brothers. When you ask me how I knew which girls I was allowed to talk to, then I say that those girls lived with us. With us in Vinkeveen. We didn't only reside in Vinkeveen, but sometimes also elsewhere. Mostly I stayed with [person 24]. I immediately had to hand over the money that I earned to [suspect Pehlul T] when I came home. When it wasn't enough, he beat me up. I regularly had bruises. Even when I had bruises, I had to work the next day. These then were camouflaged with make-up. [Person 24] did that. I once also underwent an abortion and the day after the abortion was carried out I had to work again. I still bled. When you ask me what I earned on average per day, then I say that in the beginning I wasn't so good yet. I then earned between five hundred and six hundred per day. Initially I worked from 10 o'clock in the morning until four or five o'clock at night, but obviously with a break of course. Later, when I found out that I could steal from clients and learned how that was done, I worked from seven o'clock in the evening until five or six o'clock in the morning. When you ask me who determined the working hours, then I say: "He". Sometimes it was very bad on weekdays during the daytime. That's why those girls have also learned me to steal, because in the morning I was too tired, overburdened. When I said something about this then he screamed that he would come to me. He said that he would kill me if I didn't do what he wanted. Then I continued with working again. When you ask me which days of the week I worked, then I say that I worked from Monday until Sunday. Every now and then I had a day off, but actually I preferred to work every day and I wasn't home with him, because he was so violent. I have worked until the age of twenty-five. I have worked for approximately three years. When you ask me what the reason was to stop, then I say the following. [Suspect Pehlul T] had a false passport. That belonged to a man in Germany, with whom he had agreed that he was allowed to use his name. In Turkey I was forcibly married to [suspect Pehlul T], so that he could get a Dutch passport. It so happened that his passport had expired or something like that, he couldn't go back to the Netherlands. His brother was able to do that, then I mean his big brother and I prefer not to name a name. After I was beaten up by [suspect Pehlul T] and he had almost killed me, I immediately lodged a complaint to the police after that. He then found me back again. They then guarded me and I wasn't able to go anywhere without being guarded. I was brought by a bodyguard from and to a special taxi which picked me up and brought me away. A Turkish taxi brought us to the Zeedijk. From there we were escorted to our room by a bodyguard. We then went to Turkey and then I married [suspect Pehlul T]. At a certain moment I obviously had to work again. The money had been used up again. I then took a flight back to the Netherlands and I was picked up by another brother, [F]. I was with [person 28] in the house and when she was away and I stayed home alone, I could get away. I took my suitcases and went to my aunt. [Person 28] had brought my money to Turkey. The brother of [suspect Pehlul T] preyed on me, by he also had problems in the Netherlands. I'm then talking about his big brother. I mean [Monti] with this. They have been at the door of my aunt multiple times. I then mean [Monti]. He has threatened to set fire to my aunt. He didn't come alone at the door. Other people were also present. My aunt has said to me that it were more. I haven't seen them. I then went hiding in the living room. My aunt left the door open, so I could hear them talking. My aunt has told me everything when she came into the room again.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect Pehlul T] threatened me every day. He then said that I should do my best more. I had to work so many hours per day. If I wouldn't do that he beat me with an iron bar on my hands. He also beat with the flat of his hand on my pubic area. He also did sadistic things. He inserted a bottle of vodka in my vagina. He tied me up. He cut me with a knife. He beat me with a baseball bat on my head, my upper legs, my hands and my midriff. I have had four broken ribs. He also beat me with the baseball bat on my vagina. When I laid on the ground he kicked me. When you ask me how often I was beaten with a baseball bat then I say that I can't remember. It was almost every day. I was only allowed to mix with girls of the group. I very often had contact by telephone with [suspect Pehlul T] during the work. When he phoned, he asked if I was working or if I had earned enough. Sometimes I was so tired, that I asked him if I was allowed to stop. He reacted aggressively to that. Sometimes I phoned to butter up or bond with him, so that I wouldn't get a beating and he would find me sweet. He threatened to end my life with an overdose of coke. He said that I was a whore anyway and that nobody would bother about that. I cannot stand weed and he let me smoke weed sometimes. He forced me to do that, he said with an imperative voice: "smoke".&lt;br /&gt;Photo 5, 53 (the court determines: [suspect Pehlul T]).&lt;br /&gt;The man on this photo is [suspect Pehlul T]. I also knew him as [Y]. Photo 57 is a photo of [suspect Pehlul T] and me together, but you can't see me very well.&lt;br /&gt;Photo 11 (the court determines: [Person 102]).&lt;br /&gt;The man on this photo was our taxi driver. He is named [Person 102]. He was also active for them. When you did something he passed it on. I once ran away and then he told where to. They then found me and have beaten me up. That was once. I then went to the house of my aunt. He brought me there. He was paid by them, [suspect Pehlul T] and his big brother.&lt;br /&gt;Photo 13 (the court determines: [suspect Nuri T).&lt;br /&gt;That is the big brother. When you ask me if he knew that I worked for [suspect Pehlul T], then I say: "Of course". He is his brother. He knew everything. I would prefer not to speak about him. When you ask me why not, then I say that I am afraid of him. When you ask me why I am afraid of him, then I say that he is ten times worse than [suspect Pehlul T]. He has threatened me and also beaten me. He has said to me that he would kill me, when something happens with his brother and he would kill me. I find him dangerous. I haven't kept track of when he has threatened me, that has been multiple times. At one moment you are being threatened so often that it starts to become a habit. He has beaten me when I lived in Vinkeveen. I believe that it has been approximately four and a half years ago.&lt;br /&gt;Photo 15 (the court determines: [Person 130]).&lt;br /&gt;The man on this photo is [E], he was a bodyguard. That was my bodyguard. [E] knew that I worked for [suspect Pehlul T].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. The testimony of [person 11], born [1982] (February 3, 2010):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You show me photos of the women. Multiple times I have worked certain periods with [person 24] in one room. I had to learn from [person 24] how I could make money without having sex with clients and how I could make as much money as possible and steal from the clients. Because of the woman on photo 42 (the court determines: [person 53]) I received an awful beating. We sometimes closed the curtain and then we started to have a chat with each other with a drink. One time [suspect Pehlul T] came into my room via another room, where I just had been drinking and giggling with her, with the little curtain closed. That absolutely wasn't allowed. It wasn't the plan that you went talking. You had to work. I then received an awful beating with the baseball bat because she had distracted me. I received beatings on my head and on my legs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. The testimony of [person 11], born [1982] (February 17 and March 3, 2010):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have worked in prostitution in Amsterdam and in Utrecht.&lt;br /&gt;I have been threatened by [suspect Pehlul T] and [suspect Nuri T] with bad consequences if I would talk to the police.&lt;br /&gt;When [suspect Nuri T] came at the door, he introduced himself to my aunt as the brother of my brother. I have to add to that that he said [suspect Pehlul T]. After he had gone away my aunt described the person at the door to me. The description fitted [suspect Nuri T]. I also heard him speak at the door. She has also given photos of [suspect Pehlul T] to the police. My aunt has seen these photos before [suspect Nuri T] came at the door. These photos were in the marriage certificate that I received from Turkey.&lt;br /&gt;When you ask me how often I was beaten with a baseball bat, then I say almost every day, let’s say every day during the first year. After I started to earn better it became better. A couple of times I have earned 200 or 300 euro, but then I received the worst beatings. At a certain moment 800 euro was also not enough anymore. The cars had to be paid and I had to pay the rent of Vinkeveen.&lt;br /&gt;You say to me that I have stated that [suspect Pehlul T] was in Turkey sometimes and you ask me if I also had to hand over my money in this period and if that were true, how that was done. I was escorted the whole time by bodyguards. His brother [Monti] was also in the Netherlands to keep me under control. I gave the money to [suspect Ferruh T] abi where I stayed at that moment. [Suspect Ferruh T] abi sent it to Turkey.&lt;br /&gt;With keeping under control I mean that I didn't go anywhere alone. I had accompaniment everywhere and always. There always was a man/bodyguard present. This could also be [suspect Nuri T]. We had our own taxis. We weren't allowed to go with the normal taxis.&lt;br /&gt;They have also said to me, that when I would be caught once then I must say nothing, just persevere. They have also said to me that they could keep me imprisoned. If I would still have been with them then I wouldn't have stated this all, but luckily I'm free now.&lt;br /&gt;When you ask me if [suspect Nuri T] knew of the abortion that I underwent, then I say: "Yes". I have heard [suspect Nuri T] and [suspect Pehlul T] talking together about this over the telephone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. The testimony of [person 72] (April 20, 2010):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He regularly phoned, after he and [person 11] had separated. With "he" I mean her husband, the husband of [person 11]. He then asked where [person 11] was. This was in the period during which she had left him. During one of these conversations I have told him that [person 11] was addicted and I have asked him if he couldn't help her get rid of that. Then he let her come over to Turkey. She has been in Turkey and after that she had to work for him yet again. She had to play whore for him again. She didn't come to me at home again, only to drop off the suitcases. She was immediately gone again. His brother then picked her up.&lt;br /&gt;After two weeks she came to me and told that she had earned eight thousand euro. She said that she had put that away and that she would save it. When she came back that eight thousand euro was gone. She was very angry and she came to me again. She told that they took away that eight thousand euro and that she didn't get that back anymore. Then she left that brother. She was threatened after that. She then was screaming on the telephone. She didn't tell me who was on the telephone, but after she ended the telephone conversation, she phoned to her husband. She then screamed to her husband that her brother threatened her so badly. She was afraid of his brother. That brother has also come at my door. That's why I knew that it was the brother of the husband of [person 11]. They always came with the four of them. They came with the two of them at my door and two stayed in the car. The latter I heard from the neighbours. He, the brother of the husband of [person 11], said to me that he would let [person 11] be killed. He said that he didn't do it himself when he wanted to shoot somebody dead, but that he let somebody do it. I have photos of the husband of [person 11] at home, but no photos of his brother. You tell me that I have stated about four men who came at the door and you ask me how often this has happened. This happened around four times. This was in the period during which [person 11] was at my home and she didn't want to work for him anymore. One time they have uttered threats, the other three times they came at the door to ask where [person 11] was.&lt;br /&gt;When [person 11] was beaten by her husband in such a way that she ended up in hospital this way, I have visited her in the hospital. He had beaten her face completely to shreds. She looked terrible. He had whipped her over the body with a belt. She had welts because of that. She was able to flee and then she phoned to the police. They have picked her up. This was in Vinkeveen. When you ask me if I have talked with her about this, then I say that [person 11] has told me about this. She has also pressed charges.&lt;br /&gt;[Person 11] has told me that he had pushed a bottle in her lower torso. This is separate from what I told above.&lt;br /&gt;With "Lul", [person 11] meant her husband. That was a strange name according to her. That was his name according to her. She said that this was his real name, only "Lul". When her husband phoned, he always said, "With the husband of [person 11]". (comment by Donkey: “lul” means penis in Dutch)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. Report by police officers (March 16, 2006):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On March 16, 2006 around 22.55, we have paid a visit to the Trompettersteeg 5/5 in Amsterdam, the work address where [person 11] was active as a prostitute. [Person 11] indicated that she did want to stop but wasn't able to do this because she was very afraid that her pimp would search for her. She stated that the group around her, was able to find her everywhere. The pimp of [person 11] is [YC], born [1980] in [place of birth]. She absolutely didn't want to testify against her pimp [YC]. It was clearly visible that she was very afraid. She was nervy, she constantly looked anxiously around her and she repeatedly said that she wasn't able to talk because otherwise "they" could hear it. She repeatedly stood up, cried every now and then, and she sweated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: obviously they mean [Pehlul T] with [YC], but that is a false name she gave)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. Report by a police officer (May 26, 2006):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On April 27, 2006 [person 11] came to the police office in Mijdrecht. She was very emotional and she cried. She shouted that she wanted to press charges and wanted to go to a Blijf-van-mijn-lijfhuis (comment by Donkey: that's a shelter for battered women, a stay-off-my-body house). She stated the following. &lt;br /&gt;I have a relationship with [Y]. I fell in love with him. I know that his brother is named [Monti]. I live with him in a bungalow in Vinkeveen. When I entered into a relationship with him I started to work in prostitution in Amsterdam. At a certain moment I was forced by [Y]. He then said that I had to do this work for another year and then I was allowed to stop. I earn between 600 and 700 euro per day and I have to hand that over to him. I am left with completely nothing. [Y] is always with me and when I am working there are a sort of bodyguards who guard me. When I have to go to my work I am picked up by an unlicensed taxi driver, Mohammed. I have physical problems because of this work: I suffer a lot from stomachache and I'm beaten very often by [Y]. Last time, that was with a baseball bat on my upper leg, I had enormous bruises because of that. He also beat me with his fists on my head, which caused me to get enormous bumps and with the flat of his hand on my ears which had the result that I can hear less now. He regularly kicks and beats my dog because he knows that he hurts me with this. He beat me multiple times today against my head with his fists. I felt pain. He has threatened me multiple times that he would administer a drug overdose to me if I would leave him. I ran away three weeks ago to aunt [person 72]. He picked me up there again and he completely beat me up at home. I had to blow dope then, because he knew I start to feel sick because of that. He has also threatened me with a knife on my throat. &lt;br /&gt;During the conversation with me, police officer, [person 11] was phoned multiple times on her mobile phone. I understood that she had [Y] on the phone. I took her telephone and I spoke with him. I could hear that he asked multiple times with an urgent voice in which police office [person 11] was. At the end [person 11] didn't want to press charges. She wanted that the police knew what was going on, because she was afraid that something would happen to her in the future.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7. A report by police officers (May 4, 2006):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On May 1, 2006 around 13:15 we received a report about a woman who supposedly was maltreated by her husband in bungalow park Buitenborch in Vinkeveen. We got and maintained contact by telephone with her until we arrived there. She was very emotional and she cried intensely. She sounded as if she was in panic and very frightened. After arrival we saw that she had hidden herself behind a waste disposal tanker. The woman had large swellings in her face, blue-purple coloured skin around her eyes, blood dripped from her mouth and nose, there was dried up blood on her lip and her lips were red and swollen on several places. She identified herself with a passport as [person 11], born [1982] in [birthplace]. She told that she had been beaten up by her boyfriend. She told that she was active in prostitution in the Trompettersteeg in Amsterdam, her boyfriend was her pimp and she had to hand over all her earned money to him. She furthermore states that he threatened to do something to her aunt, of whom he knew where she lived.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8. The testimony of [person 11] (May 1, 2006):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The man whom I speak about is named [Y]. He is of Turkish descent and originally comes from Germany. He makes use of a false passport. Today around 9.30 he started to maltreat me. He also did that on April 27, 2006. Then I had told a story at the police in Mijdrecht because he had also beaten me that day. Then I didn't dare to press charges. This morning he beat me with a bat and tied me up with electricity wire and he used a knife on me. He has stabbed/pierced me on the backside of my legs. During recent times I repeatedly had a knife on my throat. The beating with the bat has caused injury: the doctor says that I have multiple broken ribs and I am fully covered with bruises. [Y] has also raped me this morning. I had to completely undress when he beat me. Then he inserted a little bottle of the brand Smirnoff Ice into my vagina. Later on he smashed that little bottle to pieces in the room. He raped me more often. He wants to have sex with me three times a week against my will. If I don't want sex he does it anyway and he beats me up. He demands that I work six days a week. When I refuse then he beats me up. He takes my money from me and he beats me when I don't earn enough. Four months ago he beat me in our house with a bat even worse than now and I simply had to work after that. That's also what I did. He has maltreated my dog multiple times by kicking and beating him. He also threw him against the wall in the house and he once stabbed him in the side with a knife. He knows that he hits me extra hard when he does something to the dog.&lt;br /&gt;[Y] is a member of an organisation who has women working in prostitution for them in all large cities in the Netherlands and in Germany.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;9. A report by a police officers (May 2, 2006):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On Tuesday, May 2, 2006 we, police officers, saw that the face of [person 11] was swollen and red, she was short of breath and we heard that she had pain in her face but not elsewhere in her body because she had medicines administered to her. [Person 11] stated that she was very afraid of [Y] and his friends. He supposedly has said that he is willing to be in jail for seven years, but that they would find her. She supposedly should pay him 240,000 Euro and then she would be rid of him. [Y] has threatened to kill her, just like [K], about whom [person 11] states that that person died of a drug overdose. Yet he had already tried to let her snort so much cocaine and drink so much alcohol so that she would drop down.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;10. A report by a police officer (June 16, 2006):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On May 1, 2006, I, technical investigator at the politie Utrecht have started an investigation in the house of [person 11] in Vinkeveen. On the plywood floor in the kitchen I saw trails of blood. On other spots in the house I saw drops of blood. In the trash bin in the kitchen lay a demolished Smirnoff Ice bottle. In the washbasin lay a demolished kitchen knife with a plastic handle, the blade was crooked, bits of pieces were missing which laid on the ground. In the bedroom on the bed lay a leather belt and next to the bed a piece of electricity wire in which a loop had been made.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;11. The testimony of [person 53] (March 3, 2006):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I work as a prostitute on De Wallen in Amsterdam. I already know [person 11] for a month. Her boyfriend and pimp is [Y], a brother of [Monti]. She is fed up of being with him, but she doesn't dare to go away. [Person 11] would happily have girlfriends but that isn't allowed by [Y]. I have spoken with [Y] a month ago and I have said that I have no bad plans regarding [person 11], but only want to talk a little. [Y] said that [person 11] isn't there to talk, but that she has to work. I have said to [Y] that I know that he has phoned to me two times during the night with the telephone of [person 11]. [Person 11] told me that she had to hand over all her earned money and her savings to [Y]. He wants to buy a car. She also pays the rent of a house in Vinkeveen. She told that lately she has been beaten with a baseball bat by [Y].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;15. A report of police officers (August 29, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the car en route to the hearing of the witness, [person 11] told us the following. I had to marry in Turkey with [suspect Pehlul T]. He is the brother of [suspect Nuri T]. The one who is in jail actually is [YC]. He is a friend of them and he has given his passport to them. My husband is in Turkey and has no passport. Two days ago I still had contact with my husband. He said that he wanted to come to the Netherlands again. He's the man who has beaten me up the previous year. [Person 111] is the only bodyguard that remains on De Wallen. He also keeps an eye on me. When I have a client, he immediately passes it on. [Person 28] and [person 111] has taken the money away from me that I earned recently. This happened at [person 28]'s home, last Thursday. It was 8000 euro. They said that I wasn't allowed to talk with the police, or else they would kill me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by donkey: I now switch to LJN BP5092 again)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Means of evidence for fact 2 ([person 5])&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. A report by police officers (June 21, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On June 21, 2007 in the police office in Schiedam, we, police officers, spoke with a woman who stated to us to be named: [person 5]. She stated that during a certain period she had been the girlfriend of [suspect Nuri T]. Out of fear of reprisals towards her or her family she cannot give a statement at this moment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. The testimony of [person 53] (October 26, 2009):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know from [person 5] that she, after she broke off with her boyfriend, she has been for a short while with my ex-boyfriend [person 110]. It is customary that you pay if a girl goes from one man to the other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. A report by police officers (May 2, 2006):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Person 11] states that [person 5] was a girlfriend of and worked for [suspect Nuri T]. [Person 5] has gotten a gastric bleeding a short while ago caused by one of the maltreatment by [suspect Nuri T]. Shortly after this, [person 5] already had to go to work in prostitution again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. The testimony of witness [person 11] (February 3, 2010):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Photo 13.&lt;br /&gt;This is [D] (the court determines: [person 5]). Regarding her, I have saved her life. You say that you see that I have tremblings. That's right. This girl ran away with another pimp. This obviously wasn't allowed.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect Nuri T] had found her. He has beaten her at my home until she bled. I went with her and [suspect Nuri T] to the hospital. Something had snapped in her stomach. She had a blood vessel broken or something which had the result that a lot of blood came into her stomach. She kept going on her feet with that. A couple of days later, during work, I have kicked down her door. She then was lying on the floor. [Person 5] first was together with [suspect Nuri T]. She then ran away with this pimp. She has been away for more than one and a half years. After that, she has been together again with [suspect Nuri T] when he has found her.&lt;br /&gt;I have worked together with [person 5] when I worked in the Trompettersteeg (the court understands: in Amsterdam). I already worked for a year then. I got to know her at the moment that [suspect Nuri T] had found her and he had beaten her in my house.&lt;br /&gt;[Person 5] has told me herself what happened prior to that. With the other pimp she had been in Antwerpen and in Brussels, there she has worked. She was on the run with that pimp from [suspect Nuri T]. It so happened that he had to pay to [suspect Nuri T] for her. It was obviously not allowed that he took her with him like that.&lt;br /&gt;At a certain moment she was fed up with fleeing and she wanted to see her family. She went to Amsterdam. She said that she didn't want to wait until he would find her and that's why she phoned to [suspect Nuri T]. [Suspect Nuri T] has picked her up and took her with him to Vinkeveen and there he beat her in our home. Obviously she had to work again after that. She had to pay off the money. When you run away with another pimp then you incur a sort of debt. She told me that she had to pay off 50,000 euro.&lt;br /&gt;She has said to me that he has beaten her. I did see that she had blood in the face. I have also seen that there was blood on my dog. She also had blood on her clothes and on the carpet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Means of evidence for fact 3 ([person 17])&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. A report by a police officer (July 31, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On October 26, 2005, [person 17] stated to me, police officer, that he originates from a group which occupies itself with trafficking in women. He had fallen in love with [person 5], who works in prostitution for [suspect Nuri T]. He had taken [person 5] away from [suspect Nuri T].&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect Nuri T] now demands 30,000 euro from him. He says that he doesn't have the money and if he would pay it, his life still isn't safe. [Suspect Nuri T] has threatened to come at his door. At the end of the conversation, [person 17] had a conversation with [suspect Nuri T]. [Person 17] asked if they could solve the problem in a normal way. [Suspect Nuri T] said that he wanted to have the money. He said: "you or me dies". I, police officer [person 49], who listened via the loudspeaker mode to the mobile telephone of [person 17], have heard this.&lt;br /&gt;I, police officer, had asked [person 17] what the mobile number of [suspect Nuri T] was. Before he could answer that, I saw the number in the display with which he phoned in my presence, that is 06-xxxxxxxx. [Suspect Nuri T] was supposedly around 30 years old and had his birthday in April or May.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. The testimony of [person 17] (August 6, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have my reasons not to testify anymore, also at this moment. Now it is calm. There has not been paid at that time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. A wiretapped telephone conversation between (A) [person 11] and NN woman on February 11, 2006, at 19.21 hours:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A: Hey listen, my husband found out that it is your number.&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;A: When you come working then I do talk to you through the window, but I cannot come inside with you. Because I am not allowed to speak with you anymore because they really are out for your husband your ex.&lt;br /&gt;NN: They are searching, really.&lt;br /&gt;A: Yes. They are searching, if they will get him. They want to put pressure on you.&lt;br /&gt;NN: They want to put me under pressure.&lt;br /&gt;A: Yes but please say nothing you know that I say all this to you, because I then really will be killed you know.&lt;br /&gt;NN: No sweetheart you don't have to be afraid of that, how do they want to do that then.&lt;br /&gt;A: Yes I don't know that. I believe that if you go working and that they will just visit you then. He said that you where your ex is, you know and I have already said to him yes just let her alone you know. She doesn't have anything to do anymore with her ex. He says no way (interference).&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;A: No I don't know that. I simply believe when he sees you. Because if he tells me that your man has to pay something like 30,000 (thirty thousand) euro or something to his brother, you know, so yes. That is a whole lot of money.&lt;br /&gt;NN: He has no business at all, my ex simply went away with that girl. That girl has chosen him herself also, you do know what I mean and I also find it bizarre that there is a sort of rule that if you go with another pimp…&lt;br /&gt;Conversation is broken off.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. A wiretapped telephone conversation between [person 53] and [person 17] on March 1, 2006 at 21.35:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Person 53]: You let [person 5] visit your sick mother.&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;[Person 53]: Piss off, you. Cancer rotten you. With your dirty cancer whores that you always have had. (...) Now that [person 5]. You have fucking no taste, (…) and if you have problems, she then goes that 30,000 euro, she will cough that up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. The testimony of [person 53] (March 3, 2006):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I work since August 2003 on De Wallen. I know [person 11] since a month ago. Her pimp is [suspect Pehlul T]. I have spoken with [suspect Pehlul T] a month ago. [Suspect Pehlul T] asked me where [person 17] was, my ex. He seeks for that person because he has a relationship with [person 5], the former girlfriend of [suspect Nuri T]. I said that [person 17] was abroad. [Suspect Pehlul T] said that he would find him anyway. I later told [person 17] that I was approached by [suspect Pehlul T]. [Person 17] told me that [suspect Nuri T] searched for him for money. [Suspect Nuri T] wanted €30,000 from [person 17] because [suspect Nuri T] believes that [person 17] has taken away [person 5].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. The testimony of [person 53] (March 7, 2006):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know that [suspect Nuri T] believes that [person 17] owes him 30,000 euro, because [person 5] transferred from [suspect Nuri T] to [person 17]. It is customary in the world of prostitution that money is being paid then.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Means of evidence for fact 4 and 5 (participation in a criminal organisation)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;61. The testimony of [person 11], born [1982] (January 29, 2010, February 3 and March 3, 2010):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;January 29, 2010&lt;br /&gt;I met [suspect Pehlul T], fell in love with him and when I had sex with him one time I had to work in prostitution. I was 22 years old.&lt;br /&gt;Photo 13 (the court determines: [suspect Nuri T]).&lt;br /&gt;This is the big brother (the court understands: of [suspect Pehlul T]). When you ask me if he knew that I worked for [suspect Pehlul T], then I say: "Of course". He is his big brother. He knew everything. I would prefer not to speak about him. When you ask me why not, then I say that I am afraid of him. When you ask me why I am afraid of him, then I say that he has threatened me and also beaten me. That was when I still lived in Vinkeveen. I believe that it has been approximately 4 1/2 years ago (the court understands: halfway 2005). He has said to me that he would kill me, when something happens with his brother. They often held meetings. That was also in our home; at my and [suspect Pehlul T]'s place is what I mean then. During those meetings they spoke about information that they received from informants of the police. Because those meetings were also sometimes in our home, I knew many men by sight.&lt;br /&gt;February 3, 2010&lt;br /&gt;I belonged to a crew, to which belonged also a number of other girls. The girl on photo 21 belonged to another similar group. It was one big crew to which this group belonged. When the examining judge asks me, if one starts from this bigger group, there are more of these on De Wallen, then I say that De Wallen actually was one big group.&lt;br /&gt;All those little men under [suspect Nuri T] and [suspect Saban B] then came to [person 32]'s home. That’s what I’ve seen, when I was in [person 32]'s home. They came there with girls to ask permission to [suspect Nuri T] and [suspect Saban B] if they were allowed to work on De Wallen. They had to pay for that. When you ask me how I knew that these men had to ask permission to [suspect Nuri T] and [suspect Saban B] to let the women work there, then I say that I was there when it happened. So it was one big group with a whole lot of little subgroups. [Person 32] is a woman who went for a long time with [suspect Nuri T].&lt;br /&gt;During the meetings in [suspect Pehlul T]'s and my home there was spoken about how to deal with certain situations, in Utrecht at the boats and also in Amsterdam. When you ask me in which sense this is related to the crews, then I say that at those meetings there always were different crews. Four times I have seen a meeting. Each time there was a different crew of men at a meeting. During the meetings [suspect Nuri T] and [suspect Pehlul T] were always present.&lt;br /&gt;March 3, 2010&lt;br /&gt;In the beginning when I met [suspect Pehlul T], I have lived for more than five months with him at [person 32]'s and [suspect Nuri T]'s place. [Suspect Saban B] often came there.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-7937260862115174823?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/7937260862115174823/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=7937260862115174823' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/7937260862115174823'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/7937260862115174823'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/12/saban-and-gang-part-2.html' title='Saban and the gang - part 2'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-6048501389144269299</id><published>2011-12-09T19:25:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2012-01-23T21:05:35.027+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Two forced prostitutes on De Wallen</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now some new verdicts from rechtspraak.nl, with the LJN-numbers: BO9639 and BO7662. You can find them here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BO9639"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BO9639&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BO7662"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BO7662&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The verdicts are related to two different young women who are forced to work in window prostitution. The two pimps who are described in these two verdicts seem to belong to the same family, but I'm not so sure. Actually, I initially believed that both stories were related to the same woman, they both had an abortion and they both wanted to keep a baby. But after closing inspection they definitely are different persons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps I'm wrong, but one of the stories is very similar to a story told by a woman in a book written by Maria Genova (see this post on my blog: &lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/10/women-for-sale.html"&gt;Women for sale&lt;/a&gt;, BTW: it seems this woman is actually &lt;a href="http://www.levennaeenloverboy.nl/"&gt;Sweetmizzy&lt;/a&gt; who wrote extensively about the case on her website). This woman also had a late abortion, this time in Morocco, and she kept the baby of a later pregnancy. This child is heavily mentally retarded. If I'm correct, then judging from the story of this woman in the book written by Maria Genova, it seems that this pimp and his family even made Saban B scared. Also, this gang wasn't known to me. They also seem to have nothing to do with the so-called Judo case, or the Maas case. And after reading all these human trafficking stories related to De Wallen in Amsterdam, I must conclude that Saban B definitely wasn't the boss on De Wallen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here some translated bits from LJN BO7662 (I have to remark that this file speaks both in the third and first person in a very messy way):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On September 28, 2008 information came in at the Regionale Criminele Inlichtingen Eenheid (RCIE) of politie Flevoland that [fellow suspect 1] let a woman, named [person 1], work as a whore and that this [person 1] hands over the earned money to [fellow suspect 1]. That information is supplemented since February 19, 2009 with information that also [fellow suspect 2] lets women work in prostitution for him. In June 2009 it is reported to RCIE that [person 2] lived with [fellow suspect 2] and his wife [person 3] and that [person 2] plays whore for years for [fellow suspect 2].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From further research it emerges that [.] [victim 1] is possibly a victim of human trafficking. It turns out that she maintained contact with the suspect. She had an exploratory interview with the police and later she pressed charges against the suspect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The court considers it to be lawfully and convincingly proven that the suspect made himself guilty of human trafficking as far as [victim 1] is concerned with this and that he has laundered amounts of money that originated from this human trafficking. The court finds support in the following means of evidence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The testimony/testimonies of [.] [victim 1], where she presses charges against the suspect. On January 25, 2010 she testifies as follows. She has had a problematic childhood, among other things as a result of the fact that her parents were divorced, her mother was an alcoholic and she couldn't get along with her stepfather. She got depressed and had been admitted for six weeks into the psychiatric PAAZ department in Lelystad. When she was 18 years old, in 1997, she entered into a problematic relationship. When she ended this relationship in 2001 and her ex stalked her, she was helped by the suspect. Among other things, he jumped in between when that ex came towards her with a stone.&lt;br /&gt;When [victim 1] told the suspect about her debts he said that he did know a solution for that. She could go in prostitution in [place]; the suspect would coach her and protect her. He wanted to have a percentage of between twenty and thirty percent of the earnings for doing that. [Victim 1] found this reasonable.&lt;br /&gt;The week after that, the suspect, [victim 1] and [fellow suspect 2] went to [place] (comment by Donkey: obviously this is Amsterdam). The suspect showed her where she could work, on the [address] at [person 4], a private window letter. The family [suspect] knew this man and arranged the rooms there. After the tour, [victim 1] said that the appointment could continue. Subsequently a set of underwear was bought in a sex shop with the suspect. That evening [victim 1] and the suspect went to bed with each other for the first time. From that moment on they really were a couple and they were inseparable. [Victim 1] went working for the first time on De Wallen in May or June 2001. She was brought by [fellow suspect 2] and the suspect. The suspect gave instructions. While she worked, [fellow suspect 2] and he regularly walked passed the window. The suspect collected the earned money after every two or three clients.&lt;br /&gt;In the interrogation of February 5, 2010 [victim 1] tells among other things that the suspect's word is law. The first five or six months of the relationship, it was a pleasant time. After that he began to humiliate her. He said that [person 1] earned a lot more than she did and that he felt ashamed that he had to go to [country] with such a low amount of money. In the beginning she worked six days a week, even when she was menstruating. In the summer of 2002 she was kicked by the suspect with full force in her chest, which had the result that she could get no air anymore. She went to the police, but it was advised to her not to press charges. For the suspect, [victim 1] tells, it wasn't always necessary to beat her. "The expressions on the face of [suspect] and his body language, this intimidating posture and the fact how the family [suspect] was known, was enough for me."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the interrogation of February 8, 2010 [victim 1] testifies about the [car] which was bought in 2002 with the money that she earned in prostitution and that the suspect went with [person 5] with this (car) to [country] for four weeks at her expenses. She also tells about an incident in [country 2] where the suspect threatens her, her mother and sister with death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the interrogation of February 12, 2010 [victim 1] testifies about the [car] which the suspect bought in 2002 with the money that she earned in prostitution, to go on vacation with his family in [country]. The complainant calculates that she should have earned as much as €50,000 per year. She finds this unrealistic because she hasn't seen anything of it herself. Cars, expensive clothing of Prada, Versace and Dolce &amp;amp; Garbana , fuel, [country], you name it, were bought with her money. Also money was sent to [country] to his mother. [Victim 1] made nothing out of the earned money. Her clothes came from the market.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the interrogation of February 19, 2010 [victim 1] testifies that in 2004 she was forced by the suspect and this family to have an abortion. Immediately after that she had to work in prostitution again, since there had to be income.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the interrogation of February 23, 2010 [victim 1] testifies that the suspect made her believe that when I could arrange a trip to [country] for him and a [car] and a good house, they would have a child together. She wanted to fulfil this dream and starting from March 20, 2004 until October 2006 she began to work very hard. The suspect continued to take all money, every now and then she hid small amounts of money. She also worked when she was ill. It was never enough. In April or May 2005 the suspect bought a [car] with the prostitution money. In 2006 [victim 1] got pregnant again. The suspect wasn't happy with this, but [victim 1] decided that she wanted to have this baby at all costs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the testimony of April 2, 2010 [victim 1] says (summarised): "(..) I was so in love with that man that I wanted to give away my body for little money. (…) I couldn't get out. That was caused by the threats and the constant begging of the family to [suspect] for money."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a witness during the hearing of September 28, 2010, [victim 1] has testified corresponding to what precedes. During that occasion, she furthermore testified that she had a couple of good girlfriends, but that the suspect didn't trust these girlfriends. These friendships have been broken off. [Victim 1] and the suspect didn't have contact for three years with the mother of [victim 1]. The suspect preferred a girl that had less contact with her parents, says [victim 1].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Supporting evidence is found by the court in the following.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The statement of [witness 1] that she made on February 18, 2010 to the police, in which she testifies that [.] [victim 1] had a relationship with [suspect] and ended up behind the window. She simply had to work by order of [suspect]; she was put behind the window by [suspect] and has seen nothing of the money. The boys [of the family of the suspect] decided what was done with the money. The [of the family of the suspect]'s were all in the neighbourhood. [Suspect] was also there at that time. [Victim 1] and [suspect] drove along with [fellow suspect 1] or [fellow suspect 2]. The [of the family of the suspect]'s were in the pub opposite the windows (comment by Donkey: I immediately think about the Molensteeg, but I could be wrong). We were vulnerable and we were fooled. We were manipulated by the [of the family of the suspect]'s. We were worthless and just whores. They hit us with words, that wasn't always necessary with beatings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The testimony of [witness 2], the mother of [.] [victim 1], in which she testifies that [victim 1] entered into a relationship with [suspect], that his brothers regularly sat on a little bench in front of the house and that she wasn't allowed to come in; a pie had to be eaten outside. [Witness 2] testifies that she regularly saw bruises on the body of [victim 1], on the arm, leg and face. This is what she told me, at the moment she was safe. She also understood that [victim 1] was afraid. When she confronted the suspect with that, he said that he had to do that by order of his brothers. She furthermore testifies that [victim 1] was repeatedly kicked on the station of Utrecht and that [victim 1] went to a blijf-van-mijn-lijf-huis (comment by Donkey: that is a shelter for women who suffer from male violence, a stay-off-my-body-house). [Witness 2] also testifies that she and her daughters [witness 3] and [victim 1] were threatened with death by the suspect during a vacation in [country 2].&lt;br /&gt;That threat is confirmed by [witness 3].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Witness 4] testifies that she got to&amp;nbsp;know [victim 1] in 2004, that she worked in prostitution in [place] just like herself and that [victim 1] sometimes worked 7 days per week. She has also testified that [victim 1] was maltreated by her boyfriend and that she also saw bruises on the body of [victim 1]. Anyway, her boyfriend completely wrecked her psychologically. She derives from telephone conversations between [victim 1] and [suspect] that [suspect] picked her, [victim 1], up from her work. More often she has heard conversations of [victim 1] and her boyfriend. [Victim 1] was always crying during such moments. There was a lot of stress. He made her paranoid by letting her do the work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I now switch to LJN BO9639)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On September 28, 2008 information came in at the Regionale Criminele Inlichtingen Eenheid (RCIE) of politie Flevoland that [fellow suspect 1] let a woman, named [victim 3], work as a whore and that this [victim 3] hands over the earned money to [fellow suspect 1]. That information is supplemented since February 19, 2009 with information that also [suspect] lets women work in prostitution for him. In June 2009 it is reported to RCIE that [victim 1] lived with [suspect] and his wife [person 1] and that [victim 1] plays whore for years for [suspect]. Information from July 2009 indicates that on December 5, 2008 the mother of [fellow suspect 1] and the suspect have deposited €8000 at the GWK, that this mother manages this money and that money is brought to [land] and put on a bank.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The court considers it to be lawfully and convincingly proven that the suspect made himself guilty of human trafficking as far as [victim 1] is concerned with this and that he has laundered amounts of money that originated from this human trafficking. The court finds support in the following means of evidence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The testimony of [victim 1], made during the session of the court of September 28, 2010. She testifies that in the period starting from 2003 until and including 2007 she has been active in prostitution and that she did that to earn some extra money, that she has lived for a short while with the suspect and his wife, that sometimes - regarding her activities - she was brought by the suspect to [place 1] (comment by Donkey: that must be Amsterdam obviously) and that she has two tattoos with the name [suspect]. It is correct that she has lost her child.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The testimony of [victim 1], made to the police on December 16, 2009, in which she says: "You cannot protect me. I cannot give names. You arrest people and they are outside again after six months. It is my choice. I have to live with this."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The testimony of [victim 2], made to the police on December 24, 2009, in which she testifies that she has seen that [victim 1] worked as a prostitute for [suspect] on De Wallen in [place 1] and that [victim 1] had a tattoo with the name [suspect] on her arm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The testimony of [victim 2] made to the police on March 18, 2010, in which she testifies that [victim 1] and [suspect] were always together, also on De Wallen, that [victim 1] had bruises, that she had told that [suspect] had beaten her and that [victim 1] had to have an abortion in 2008 in [country] because she was in a considerably late stage. She also testifies that [victim 1] had a broken arm in 2005, while initially she didn't go to the hospital with it. [Victim 2] found [victim 1] very slavish. [Suspect] introduced her to his wife [person 1] as follows: "this is [victim 1], [victim 1] is my whore."&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] always had thick bundles of cash at his disposal. He also bought cars. [Victim 2] has never seen [victim 1] with money. She bought her clothes on the market.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The testimony of [witness], made to the police on September 25, 2009, in which she testifies that [victim 1] (named [.] by the witness) lives with her brother [suspect] and his wife, that [victim 1] works as a prostitute for her brother in [place 1], that she has seen that [victim 1] was beaten with a TV-cable by [suspect] and that [victim 1] and his wife are beaten by [suspect] if they don't do what [suspect] says.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The testimony of [witness], made to the police on October 28, 2009, in which she testifies that she has heard that [victim 1] received beatings from [suspect] and that he beat her up in his room, that [victim 1] is crazy about [suspect], that [victim 1] had to hand over the money to [suspect] and that the money goes to the bank in [country].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The testimony of [witness 2], made to the police on February 18, 2010, in which she testifies that [victim 1] entered into a relationship with [suspect], that [victim 1] sat behind the window after she had just become 18 years old and that [victim 1] wasn't allowed by [suspect] to talk to anybody. She further testifies that she knows that [victim 1] gave the money to [suspect] and that she was his possession. [Witness 2] also indicates that she and the other girlfriends of the [the family of suspect] weren't working voluntarily in prostitution, but they had to. They just all had to hand over their money. [Suspect] and [fellow suspect 1] didn't give a shit about anything and decided everything about the money. Their girlfriends didn't have more life than working and sitting on the couch at home. [Victim 1] really did have nothing for herself. Everything went to the [the family of suspect].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The testimony of [witness 3], made to the police on January 8, 2010, in which he testifies that [suspect] has [victim 1] working for him for already five or six years in [place 1] on De Wallen and that he has seen [victim 1] working sometimes. He knows for sure that the women who stand behind the windows don't do this voluntarily and that they are often beaten up terribly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The wiretapped telephone conversation performed by the police on January 10, 2010 between [victim 1] and her mother [mother of victim 1], in which [victim 1], after her mother had told her that she, [victim 1], if she wanted to step out of it she had to go to the police, says to her mother:&lt;br /&gt;"Yes mom, say it to the police? What a mistake, do you watch TV sometimes? Then you should pay attention sometime, because they don't do an ass about it. If I would have been so sure about that, I would have given that name a long time ago. I have seen enough girls who pressed charges. I have seen enough boys being arrested who stood on the pavement again after six months. I have heard enough boys, whom they arrested, whom they just let escape. […..] I'm with my nose right in the middle of this and when I see these sort of things happen, do you really think that I would do something like that? Well, rather not. Then I would rather keep on fighting for a short while. […...] Mom, the police can do absolutely nothing about it, that's the whole joke of it all."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The testimony of [mother of victim 1], mother of [victim 1], made to the police on August 11, 2009, in which she testifies, that she knows that [victim 1] is maltreated by [suspect] and that she has often seen that [victim 1] had bruises. [Victim 1] has told her mother that she was beaten by [suspect], but that it was her own fault. It was noteworthy that [victim 1] always had a firm grip on her telephone when she came to her. [Victim 1] was supervised by [suspect]. [Victim 1] wants to have nothing to do with the police. When she is away from the [the family of suspect] she wants to say nothing out of fear.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] was a problematic child at home. It was difficult to keep her in line.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On January 19, 2010 [mother of victim 1] tells that [victim 1] was pregnant, in a considerably late stadium, that she was very emotional and that [suspect] shouldn't know it, because otherwise he would lock her up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A report of a hearing of the tax department at the day of April 23, 2009, where [victim 1] was present as a party concerned. The tax department concluded that the party concerned, [victim 1], was active in prostitution in the period April 1, 2004 until and including September 30, 2007. [Victim 1] had to hand over her earnings from prostitution activities to a loverboy and/or pimp. Out of fear for him and to prevent acts of retaliation by him she doesn't want to name his name. [Victim 1] has said during the hearing that she didn't earn money with her activities, because she had to hand over all earnings directly to her loverboy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The testimony of [witness 5], sister of [victim 1], who testifies the following. [Victim 1] has been removed from home in the past. There were problems at school and at home. [Victim 1] has been on a special school for a while (comment by Donkey: a special school is usually for children with certain problems). [Victim 1] told her that she couldn't go away from [suspect]. He would go after her anyway. She indicated that she wasn't happy but she saw no way out. [Suspect] has once said to [witness 5] that he could let [victim 1] do everything with the wanted. He made clear that [victim 1] was his. [Victim 1] also had never much money to spend.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-6048501389144269299?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/6048501389144269299/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=6048501389144269299' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/6048501389144269299'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/6048501389144269299'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/12/two-forced-prostitutes-on-de-wallen.html' title='Two forced prostitutes on De Wallen'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-4071236166420092919</id><published>2011-12-07T15:49:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2011-12-16T16:27:24.039+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Romanian forced prostitutes in Leeuwarden</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And another verdict from the rechtspraak.nl-website. It has the LJN-number: BL0022. You can find it here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BL0022"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BL0022&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Two Romanian prostitutes are described who work in window prostitution in Leeuwarden. I must admit that in my madness I've visited two Romanian window prostitutes on the Zandpad in Utrecht. That was a couple of months ago. They worked on the same boat in the rooms 110-1 and 110-2. I am very enthusiastic about them. They named themselves Serena and Corina. Serena was 25 years old, and Corina 23 years old. They both did the same trick by moving their breasts over my body. I liked it a lot. Serena also gave little kisses my mouth and looked me in the eyes with her beautiful eyes. They both are very intelligent and I could communicate well with them. They seem self-confident and in control. Corrina asked me if I had a girlfriend. I said no. She said many men who visit her don't want a girlfriend. I asked her if she had a boyfriend. Corina told that she didn't want to have a boyfriend because of the work she does. I teased her a little bit by asking if she didn't want to have a relationship with the boys who walk passed the windows. She smiled and said no. All in all I had a good time with them. Corina and Serena are the best two prostitutes I have met. They are good-looking, intelligent, give you lots of attention and don't seem to give the impression that they dislike the work they do. I left them with a big smile.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the same time I feel a bit of shame. Wasn't I so sure that 90% of the Eastern European prostitutes in the Netherlands are coerced to work in prostitution? Anyway, the ordeals told in this verdict could give an impression of the situation of Serena and Corina. Perhaps they don't realise it yet, that their money that is kept safe by their managers has actually disappeared into a bottomless pit. Or that their boyfriends will never ever buy a house in Spain to start a family together there. But once again, perhaps I'm too paternalistic to believe that Eastern European prostitutes can't fend for themselves. Serena and Corina do have the intelligence to find their way in Dutch prostitution, in my opinion. They have to register at the Chamber of Commerce and voilà. On the other hand, I know the stories about Eastern European prostitutes who work in the German sauna/FKK clubs. One man described these places like heaven on earth. He came there so often that he more or less befriended some prostitutes. It turned out that they lived in slavery. He described that they had to hand over most of their earnings, they had virtual debts and some were sold from one pimp to another. And then the whole game of debt bondage started all over again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to get for real now, don't go to brothels, don't go to red light districts. And also not just to look, don't be curious. Not anymore. Never go to prostitutes! Not just to older prostitutes, or Latin American prostitutes. No prostitutes at all. Never! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am crazy. But I hope my moral crusade works, by posting a human trafficing story every couple of days. Although I don't feel anything.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here are some translated bits from the verdict (I change the introductory lines a little bit):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The testimony of the suspect (December 15, 2009):&lt;br /&gt;On the occasion of the Christmas days at the end of 2008 I went to Romania. I also was there to recruit girls for prostitution in the Netherlands. I did this by order of [name 1]. [Name 1] has asked me if I knew girls who wanted to work for him in prostitution in the Netherlands.&lt;br /&gt;I have asked [victim 1] in Romania if she wanted to work in prostitution in the Netherlands.&lt;br /&gt;In mid-January 2009 I came together with her to Leeuwarden with the car. I brought her with me, so that she would work in prostitution. The first three weeks I have lived with her in the house of [name 1]. Later he rented a house for us on the [address] in Leeuwarden. She has worked in prostitution in Leeuwarden starting from January 17, 2009 until March 7, 2009. She had to hand over a part of her earnings to [name 1].&lt;br /&gt;It was my task to ask the girls during the evening how much money they had earned. I had to collect this money and give it to [name 1]. The girls had to hand over 50% of the earned money.&lt;br /&gt;In Romania I also asked [victim 2] if she wanted to work in prostitution in the Netherlands. She came with the bus to the Netherlands. She came living on the [address] in Leeuwarden.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2] worked starting from February 17, 2009 until March 7, 2009. Also for her the 50%-arrangement applied.&lt;br /&gt;I brought the girls to the brothel during the morning and picked them up again during the evening. Every now and then I received money for fuel from the girls.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. The testimony of [victim 2] (March 19, 2009):&lt;br /&gt;[Name 1] and [suspect] have lied to me and that's why I came to the Netherlands. I have worked here for a month. My money is taken from me. I only was allowed to keep money for the room. I was afraid of [name 1]. By order of [name 1] we had to accept 20 and 25 euro from clients, while 30 euro is customary. We had to earn money for [name 1]. [Name 1] said to me that if I would go to the police, he would be able to find me and he would kill me. I now am one month and two weeks in the Netherlands. I got to&amp;nbsp;know [victim 1] here in the Netherlands. It was for her the same as it was for me. It was the idea of [suspect] to come to the Netherlands. I came to the Netherlands by bus. [Name 1] has arranged this. He has bought the ticket for me. [Name 1] has told that I did have to pay back. [Name 1] has told that I had to pay him 50 euro per day. I am forced to work in prostitution here in the Netherlands. [Name 1] has forced me. Also [suspect] has forced me. [Name 1] forced me by saying that if I didn't work, he would beat me. [Suspect] said that if I wouldn't work, he would throw me out on the streets. [Name 1] said that he had men who followed me and I was afraid that I would be followed. That's why I didn't leave.&lt;br /&gt;The first time [suspect] brought me to the sex establishment in Leeuwarden where I started working. [Name 1] has told me where I had to work and [suspect] brought me there. [Name 1] has arranged the workroom. [Name 1] has bought my workclothes. It is correct that [name 1] and [suspect] brought me with the car to work and they did also pick me up.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 1] has the money that I earned in prostitution. [Suspect] has also received money from me. It is correct that I had to pay 50 euro per day to [name 1]. [Name 1] determined the working hours. I also had to work when I was menstruating. [Name 1] kept an eye on my activities as a prostitute. Also the other girls were followed by him. We had to tell [name 1] at the end of the day how many clients we had had and how much money we had earned.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 1] gave me a beating in the Netherlands, he beat me on my cheek.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 1] has said that if I wouldn't tell the truth, he would throw me into the water. [Suspect] profited from my earnings and those of other girls. [Victim 1] wasn't working voluntarily in prostitution. She told me that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. The testimony of [victim 2] (March 8, 2009):&lt;br /&gt;[Name 1] has paid lingerie for me. He has bought two sets for me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. The testimony of [victim 1] (March 19, 2009):&lt;br /&gt;[Name 1] and [suspect] have brought us (me, [victim 3] and [victim 4]) here. We ended up in prostitution. They took away the money. We met [name 1] in Satu Mare. [Name 1] has given the keys of his house there to [suspect]. We came here with the car of [suspect]. We went to the house of [name 1].&lt;br /&gt;The little money that was still left for me, was also taken away by [name 1]. That happened every time, that [name 1] took money away from me and that we paid the workrooms. [Victim 2] came to me and said that [name 1] had beaten her.&lt;br /&gt;You ask me how I came to the Netherlands and whose idea that was. [Suspect] asked if I wanted to come to the Netherlands.&lt;br /&gt;I didn't know the language here and I also didn't know where I was. I didn't know the way.&lt;br /&gt;I am forced to work here in the Netherlands in prostitution. [Name 1] and [suspect] have forced me. It is correct that [name 1] brought me to work and he told me already in the car that I was going to work behind the windows. It is correct that when [name 1] came to take our money away, he said that we had to pay money for the rent. It is also correct that each day he demanded 50 euro from every girl. It is correct that [victim 2] also had to work when she was menstruating. That also applied to me.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 1] supervised us. He came approximately 4 times per week to us at work. He then asked how the work was going and he asked for money. [Suspect] brought us during the morning and picked us up again during the evening. It is correct that [suspect] profited from the earnings of the girls. He also gave money that he received from us to [name 1]. Initially I handed over money to [suspect]. This was ultimately intended to give the money to [name 1].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. The testimony of [victim 1]:&lt;br /&gt;I kept a record on paper of how many clients I had per day. I had to keep a record by order of [name 1].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. The testimony of [name 2]:&lt;br /&gt;I am active as the manager of [name 3], established in Leeuwarden. At the end of January 2009 two Romanian girls were added. These were [victim 3] and [victim 1]. A few days later another two girls were added of whom the first one was named [victim 2]. I heard from the women that most of the time, one or two men came at the end of the afternoon to collect the money. I noticed that a dark young man visited them regularly. Multiple times I have also seen a man whom I know as [name 1]. I heard from [name 4] that [name 1] collected money from these girls and if he didn't do it, that dark boy then did it. This dark boy was supposed to be named [suspect] according to [name 4]. I have notified to [name 1] that he wasn't welcome anymore, in view of the commotion that started after his visits. I mean with this, that after [name 1] came by, the previously mentioned Romanian girls crawled together in the room like frightened sheep.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-4071236166420092919?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/4071236166420092919/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=4071236166420092919' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/4071236166420092919'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/4071236166420092919'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/12/romanian-forced-prostitutes-in.html' title='Romanian forced prostitutes in Leeuwarden'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-6251425014498568541</id><published>2011-12-04T20:03:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2011-12-16T16:28:27.758+01:00</updated><title type='text'>A forced prostitute on the Achterdam and one in Rijswijk</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And another verdict from the rechtspraak.nl-website. It has the LJN-number: BO5076. You can find it here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BO5076"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BO5076&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I find this story noteworthy because a victim of forced prostitution shows up who works in a so-called privéhuis. That is a type of brothel where the client is moved to a separate room, and where the prostitutes introduce themselves to the client, after which the client chooses a prostitute, and then they move to another room where they have sex. It strikes me while reading through all these verdicts, that few victims of forced prostitution seem to be working in these types of brothels, that is the privéhuizen. To a lesser extent this is also true for the so-called clubs. Actually, it seems that nowadays forced prostitution in the Netherlands is to a large extent a problem of window prostitution. This wasn't the case prior to the year 2004. Prior to 2004 forced prostitution in the Netherlands seemed to be more or less equally distributed among the various types of prostitution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wonder if it is really the case that nowadays forced prostitution rarely happens in privéhuizen. I have been in privéhuizen recently, and I notice that many women who work in such brothels seem to be older than 30. Many women are of Latin American origin. Actually most women seem to be of Latin American origin. Many women are not so beautiful, many are obese. You rarely see Eastern European and Dutch women working in these brothels. Latin American prostitutes are known to be very independent compared to the other prostitutes. So I believe it could be true that forced prostitution is relatively rare in privéhuizen. On the contrary, the situation is very different in window prostitution where lots of young Eastern European prostitutes work. Forced prostitution is reported to be very common among Eastern European prostitutes in the Netherlands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The only problem is that I discovered that I am very critical of women's appearances. Too critical. I discovered that I only like women who look like 20-year-old fashion models. Young Eastern European prostitutes often look like fashion models. I'm not a fashion model myself, I have circles under my eyes and a beer belly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I also like to add about privéhuizen is that they are generally very cheap. Usually you can have sex for half an hour with a woman for 40-80 euro. For an hour it costs 70-150 euro. In a club you must at least go for an hour, and that will cost you 200-300 euro. Remember, a club is a brothel with a bar where alcohol is served. The clients and the prostitutes meet behind the bar, they talk with each other and they drink alcohol. A part of the money paid for the alcohol is given to the prostitutes. Then the client can choose a prostitute, and then they go to a separate room with the prostitute where they have sex. In a window brothel you usually pay per quarter of an hour: that is usually around 35-50 euro per quarter of an hour.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I theorise that perhaps because privéhuizen are so cheap they are avoided by people who force women in prostitution. What also could be the case is that the police managed to close down all clubs and privéhuizen where the owners forced women into prostitution. Human traffickers like to have direct control over their victims. That is difficult in a club or privéhuis because the human traffickers can't enter these brothels, except when they control the club or privéhuis themselves. And also, prostitutes have more contact with each other in clubs and privéhuizen, so independent prostitutes can exert their influence on forced prostitutes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, perhaps that I'm all wrong. Looking at the data of Comensha (&lt;a href="http://www.mensenhandel.nl/"&gt;www.mensenhandel.nl&lt;/a&gt;) who registers forced prostitutes in the Netherlands, it seems that forced prostitution does happen a lot in clubs and privéhuizen compared to window prostitution. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm such a loser. I still visit these red light districts. I don't get in however. One time I did, but I felt so uncomfortable that I asked the prostitute permission to leave. I also visited some privéhuizen, but I also felt uncomfortable there, although I liked some women. So I left there too. I even thought once that I lost money and I felt really bad about it, so I asked my money back after I had already paid. The prostitute in the privéhuis seemed really embarrassed. Another prostitute said to her: "you don't have your day". That was not so nice of me. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps the moral crusade by posting a human trafficking story every week works for me after all. But it could also be boredom. Prostitution doesn't seem to be so cool for me now. It is actually very silly. I feel great embarrassment when I walk through these red light districts. Especially when prostitutes see me walk by five times! I hope I can break through the cycle. But my excitement about prostitutes is still too strong. Things go wrong already&amp;nbsp;before I make the decision to depart to a brothel. I should do something about that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here's some translated bits from the verdict I mentioned:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The complainant has declared that she comes from a family with three children. There were always quarrels within the family and they were beaten a lot. Her father wasn't home a lot and her mother always vented her frustration on the children. In the year 2000 she got to&amp;nbsp;know a certain [X.]. They&amp;nbsp;entered into&amp;nbsp;a relationship. He gave her the feeling that he really loved her. She received presents from him and they had a good time together. Shortly before her eighteenth birthday on February 25, 2001, he asked her to go working as a dancer in a striptease joint. The complainant refused this and wanted to break off the engagement. She declared that [X.] subsequently said that she had to pay him €10,000 if she wanted to leave him. On March 3, 2001 he came home during the evening with all kinds of attributes that were necessary for working in prostitution. [X.] told that she had to work in prostitution for him and that she had to earn back the money that he spent on her. He had arranged a room for her. Until April she subsequently worked every day in prostitution. After that [X.] incited her to smuggle drugs from the Netherlands Antilles. After she gave an anonymous tip about this to the police, because she was scared, she was subsequently arrested and she was imprisoned for three months. Back in the Netherlands she went back to [X.] again, because he threatened to do something to her family if she didn't stay with him. After [X.] had used much violence against her, she went working in prostitution again. Ultimately she kept working in prostitution for two years for him. She was beaten a lot by [X.] and she used drugs and alcohol to keep on doing the work. In September 2003 she finally managed to escape.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The complainant has declared that after a year in 2004 things were going a little better again with her. She didn't use drugs anymore and she went to school again. There she met the suspect. For her it was love on first sight. On December 17, 2004 she got her first kiss. She was terribly in love with him. Two months before that she told the suspect that she had worked in prostitution. The suspect cheered her up and he had been very kind to her. They were together a lot, but on school it went bad. In April/May 2005 she stopped with school together with the suspect. She got a quarrel with her mother and in June 2005 she moved in with a girlfriend. She subsequently couldn't get in contact with the suspect for three weeks and at the end of July 2005 she got contact with him again because he contacted her. From that moment on they mixed with each other again and she moved in with her mother again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The complainant has testified that at the end of September/beginning of October 2005, the suspect started to talk about his debts. At a certain moment the suspect was very quiet and she asked him what was going on. The suspect then told that he had many debts. He told that he had been apprehended because of fraud and that he started to deal in drugs to get rid of his debts. He told that he had been apprehended because of fraud, that he was released on bail and that he had to pay people back. He told that this was the reason why he didn't make contact with her during the summer holiday. The suspect told that if the problem wouldn't be solved, he had to go abroad. He told that he wanted to live together with her. The complainant has declared that she then said that she would go working and would make money to pay off his debts. She told him that she would do really everything for him, so that he wouldn't have to leave the country. The suspect then asked if she also wanted to do the work in Amsterdam. He said that she only had to work for three months and then he would be able to pay off his debts. He said that then they would be relieved from everything. He told that they both had to turn a switch and that they had set a target. She has declared that looking back she had been dumb and naive and that the suspect was clever and cunning and that he knew well how to manipulate her. The suspect still made love with her, he still kissed her and she believed that he loved her very much.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The complainant has declared that the suspect proposed in November 2005 that she could work as a prostitute in Alkmaar. They then drove to Alkmaar and en route she changed her mind and she told the suspect that she didn't want it anymore. The suspect then beat her and she had to have sex with the suspect. Next the suspect brought her to the Achterwal (comment by Donkey: don't they mean "Achterdam"?) in Alkmaar, the prostitution area. When they stepped out of the car, the suspect promised her that they would marry each other. The first day that she went working as a prostitute in Alkmaar, she had to cry. The suspect told her that she actually could do it and that she just should think about him. The suspect told her that she did it for them and that she just had to think about nice things. The suspect subsequently left and then she switched the button. She thought that she could keep the suspect this way, that she could pay off the debts and that after that they would be able to live their lives again. At the end she has worked there for three months, until February 2006. The complainant has declared that she and the suspect had lots of quarrels in that period, because she never wanted to work. The suspect then said that they would get him, and the complainant didn't want him to leave. She just went to work then again. She has declared that when she talked with the suspect about the work in prostitution, he talked into her. He then said to her that if she would do it one more time, he would stay with her and that he would marry her. He also said to her that nobody else could love her more than he did, because of the work that she had done in prostitution. She believed what the suspect said to her and she thought that they had a future together. In February 2006 the complainant stopped working because she was pregnant with the suspect. In the beginning of March she underwent an abortion. The money that she earned with the prostitution activities she gave to the suspect, or he took it himself. He knew where it lied.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The complainant has declared that after the abortion in March 2006 she has lived with her mother for a short while and that after that she resided in a shelter for homeless young people. On August 16, 2006 she received the key of her own house. She had nothing at all in her new house and she and the suspect spoke again about how to make money. She decided once again to work in prostitution and she subsequently worked as a prostitute once again for two months in Alkmaar. She stopped with this work, because she had become pregnant of a client. At the end of October 2006 she underwent an abortion once again. During New Year's Eve 2006/2007 she met another boy, with whom she&amp;nbsp;entered into&amp;nbsp;a relationship. That ended in September 2007. In November of that year she sent the suspect an e-mail, in which she wrote that she missed him. She immediately got an e-mail back from the suspect and at the end of November they were together again. The complainant wanted to be with him, because she didn't want to be alone anymore. The suspect was the only person she had contact with. In April 2008 she subsequently went working as a prostitute in the [a-street] in Den Haag. The money that she earned she handed over to the suspect. This had become a habit of hers, since she also did that when she worked in Alkmaar. In August 2008 the suspect went back to Morocco. The contact with the suspect disintegrated after that. The complainant has declared that after that she didn't work in prostitution anymore.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Witness [A.] has declared that he has worked for an operator of the [b-street] in Alkmaar (comment by Donkey: that must also be the Achterdam). He also lived there. The complainant worked as a prostitute under his house and this way he got to know her. When the complainant registered herself to rent a room on the [b-street], he had the impression that she didn't do this voluntarily. She was brought by somebody. According to [witness A.] this was somewhere in 2007. The complainant has often said to him that she didn't want to do the work in prostitution. [Witness A.] has declared that the complainant did have no money and that she lent money from him. He told her sometimes that she mustn't hand over all her money. The complainant didn't mix with anybody in Alkmaar. She was brooding a lot and spoke with nobody. She was very unsociable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Witness [B.] has declared that she has worked as a prostitute for a couple of years in a privéhuis in Rijswijk. In July 2008 she got to&amp;nbsp;know the complainant. [Witness B.] has declared that for two years she has had a relationship with the suspect. She showed a photograph of him to the complainant and then it turned out that the complainant had an affair with the suspect for four years already. The relationship of [witness B.] with the suspect was broken off three months ago at that moment. [Witness B.] has testified that she&amp;nbsp;entered into&amp;nbsp;a relationship with the suspect after she had just become eighteen years old. Fairly quickly after that, the suspect told her that he had debts. He told her that he had to leave the Netherlands. [Witness B.] didn't want him to leave the Netherlands, because she wanted to keep him with her. She told the suspect that she did want to earn money, so that he could stay in the Netherlands. The suspect then told that he had a friend whose girlfriend worked in prostitution and who made a lot of money. [Witness B.] has declared that she has thought about it for a short while and then decided to just try it. She eventually ended up in Rijswijk. She was very much in love with the suspect and she gave up all the money that she earned in prostitution to him. If she wanted to keep money for herself then the suspect became totally mad. He then screamed and started a quarrel. She gave the money to him, because he told that he had to pay bills. She just gave the money to the suspect, because she didn't want to enter into a confrontation with him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The suspect has confirmed that he got to&amp;nbsp;know the complainant at school and that he&amp;nbsp;entered into&amp;nbsp;a relationship with her. He has declared that they both didn't finish school. He indeed promised the complainant to marry her. In his culture he has to marry a Moroccan woman however, with whom he indeed married in the meantime. The suspect has also confirmed that he had a relationship with [witness B.] when she was eighteen years old. This was at the same moment as when he had a relationship with the complainant. He knew that [B.] worked in prostitution in Rijswijk after her eighteenth birthday. [B.] wanted to work in prostitution, to pay off his debts. The suspect has declared that he had debts with official organisations. He has declared that he knew about the complainant's past in prostitution. He has denied however that he knew that the complainant had supposedly worked in prostitution at the moment that he had a relationship with her.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-6251425014498568541?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/6251425014498568541/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=6251425014498568541' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/6251425014498568541'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/6251425014498568541'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/12/forced-prostitute-on-achterdam-and-one.html' title='A forced prostitute on the Achterdam and one in Rijswijk'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-2274927924377717921</id><published>2011-11-30T21:42:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2011-12-26T21:36:23.166+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Saban and the gang (part 1)</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Right now I want to talk about the gang of Saban B. He led a gang of over 30 pimps. Reportedly a total number of 30 women worked for the gang on De Wallen, and roughly 40 women in total at each moment. The police could track down over 120 victims. I didn't mention Saban's gang too often because the files that you can find on rechtspraak.nl about this gang are really big. I did't know how to deal with them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now (at this moment) I want to talk about the pimp Zafer O, also known as Victor. His verdict on rechtspraak.nl spans over 100 pages! I will tell something about him. Also Saban B is mentioned in this file. The LJN number is: BP6711. You can download it here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BP6711"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BP6711&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Victor was a sort of chief bodyguard of the gang. He brought the women to their work and guarded them. He also helped them with difficult clients. It will take too much time to tell everything about Victor and the other gang members in one post, so perhaps a part 2, 3 or 4 will come. The file contains a lot of wiretapped conversations, which are very fuzzy. I'll mostly skip them. Actually, I don't know much about Victor at all. There is also lots of information about other gang members. Actually, Victor seems to me not such a bad guy after all. As far as I know, I read nothing about him being violent to women. But I could be wrong. But he was evidently very violent towards other men. Once the totally trashed up a guy in the middle of the street, together with a couple of other guys who helped Victor (thrashing up the guy).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The wiretapped conversations are often conversations between the pimps and the bodyguards, for instance about: bringing the girls, the buying of bullet-proof vests, the work hours of the bodyguards or the girls, the money that is paid to the bodyguards by the girls, etc...There are also wiretapped conversations between prostitutes and pimps in the file.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also the main wife of Saban B is mentioned (named [person 36] in the file). She always denied she was forced by him, and keeps on defending him to this day. She had two children with him. Saban B could escape to Turkey because he was allowed to temporarily leave prison because of humanitarian reasons, to see his newborn baby. From what I know, he is in jail in Turkey because he didn't pay enough taxes there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also quote from another verdict, of the pimp CÖ. In that verdict Saban B is also mentioned, including his main wife [person 36]. The LJN number of this file is: BP7662. You can download it here: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BP7662"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BP7662&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are some translated parts from LJN: BP6711 (I changed the introductory lines a bit, and everybody knows the names of many of these pimps so I included them here):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Testimony of [person 122] (February 14, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;When my daughter [person 36] had just become 18 years old, she left. I have a girlfriend who works behind the bar on De Wallen in Amsterdam. At one moment my daughter visited her and told her that she worked in prostitution. My girlfriend obviously told this to me. When [person 36] phoned me once again, I immediately confronted her with this and she admitted that she had a job as a prostitute. I heard from my girlfriend that she walked around there with a creep on De Wallen. She was talking about a Turk. She never named his name to me, but later I once saw that she wore a chain with the name [suspect Saban B] on it. I understood from [person 36] that she had received this from her husband.&lt;br /&gt;I noticed that [person 36] apparently wasn't allowed to do certain things or wasn't able to. So I mean normal things with this, such as contact with the family, going somewhere. When I sometimes had an appointment with her then, she didn't show up, or she cancelled it by telephone at the last moment. I sometimes asked her to do something nice together. I proposed to her to go to Scheveningen to spend the night there and then to go back the next day. She said that that wasn't possible, because she already paid for the rent of the room (comment by Donkey: she means the rent of the room of the window brothel). During the vacations she paid a visit to his parents in Turkey with him. She told that she had to stay with his parents the whole time. She wasn't allowed to go away alone, and she was allowed to go away when [suspect Saban B] accompanied her.&lt;br /&gt;During December of the previous year she told me that she started to be fed up with it. I then said to her that she had to stop with it. She said that she couldn't get out of it anyway and how I could think that she could stop with it just like that. She worked seven days in a week. She told me that. Most of the time she went to work at 19.30 hours and she came back at 07.00 hours. She told me that she wanted/had to earn 1000 euro per day.&lt;br /&gt;How long has she worked while she was together with [suspect Saban B]?&lt;br /&gt;That could have been starting from the end of 2003 until the moment of arrest (comment by Donkey: that was in February 2007).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. The testimony of [person 123] (March 13, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;I am the stepmother of [person 36]. I know her since April 2000.&lt;br /&gt;I know that she has been beaten with a bat by [suspect Saban B]. That could have been between October and now. She told that she had received beatings. She received these when she didn't behave properly. I asked her what happened. I said to her: "(…), have you been beaten again?" and she said: "Yes". I asked sometimes what he does then. Then she said: "Not over the telephone". I then asked her if she had been maltreated again. She then said: "Well". Eventually it did come out that she had been beaten again. He beat her with the bat, her body and in her face. She wasn't able to work once because she had black eyes.&lt;br /&gt;He always read her SMS text messages. She had to hand over all her money to him. She worked 7 days in the week. [Suspect Saban B] was her pimp, he told me that himself. She sometimes was stressed and tired, then she said that she would gladly be free. She also wanted to be with her brother and sister sometimes, but she was never allowed to sleep over. She said that this wasn't allowed by [suspect Saban B].&lt;br /&gt;I once said to her that she had to stop with this work. She then said to me that this wasn't possible, because if you want to stop with working as a prostitute then you have to pay a fine of 30,000 euro.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. The testimony of [person 94] (February 21, 2004)&lt;br /&gt;I work as an errand boy for a group of pimps on De Wallen in Amsterdam. They are all Turkish men, named [suspect Saban B], [suspect Hasan B], Monti ([suspect Nuri T]), Chiko and Rici. The group has girls working for them.&lt;br /&gt;The first one is [person 36]. She is Dutch. She has been maltreated by [suspect Saban B]. [Suspect Saban B] has beaten her on her face. She had a black eye and wasn't able to work for two weeks. She told me that. I have seen the bruises in her face. She tells me everything what [suspect Saban B] does. She has to hand over all the money to [suspect Saban B], she only gets 10 euro for the taxi. She doesn't feel like working. She has to ask to [suspect Saban B] if she may take a day off. She works near sexyland (comment by Donkey: that's in the Sint Annendwarsstraat). She is there each day. [Suspect Saban B] says that she has to work until 4 or 5 o'clock in the night. She is there starting from approximately 8 o'clock during the evening.&lt;br /&gt;I am convinced that all girls work against their will for [suspect Saban B]. I know of all girls that they have to hand over their earned money.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. The testimony of [person 75] (March 6, 2009):&lt;br /&gt;Photo 2. His name is [suspect Saban B]. I know his girlfriend, that is [person 36]. I always worked together with her in the Oude Kennissteeg. She loved him an awful lot. But how he treated her. I did see [person 36] once or twice with a black eye. She was very open about it and she simply said that her husband had beaten her.&lt;br /&gt;Remark by officer. The man depicted on photo number 2 concerns: [suspect Saban B].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. The testimony of [person 36] (March 2, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;I live on the [address] in Assendelft with my boyfriend [suspect Saban B]. I work as a prostitute.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. The testimony of [person 36] (March 3, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;I have a fixed telephone number that I only use for [suspect Saban B] because I am often on the telephone with girlfriends and he doesn't want to get the voicemail. This way I can always be reached.&lt;br /&gt;The girls pay [Victor] for his bodyguard activities. He is the man who was always in the Red Light. The girls have to pay money for the bodyguard. Per week 100 euro. Regarding your question if I had to receive that money each week, I answer that I look if everybody has paid. It is my task to take care that the girls pay, so that the bodyguards get paid. Sometimes I receive a list for that. [Suspect Saban B] takes care that [Victor] is paid. With the rest of the money I rent a house for the bodyguards.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8. The testimony of [person 36]:&lt;br /&gt;I am in love with my husband [suspect Saban B]. Too much in love. I haven't really seen my boundaries yet.&lt;br /&gt;(Remark by officer: the suspect was shown photo 12 from photographic records.) That is [Victor]. He is bodyguard. The work of bodyguard is to take care that we arrive home safely.&lt;br /&gt;Remark of officers: we read out loud to the suspect the wiretapped conversation of 30-11-2006 on 00:51:12, 30-G, 29 (the court understands: the wiretapped conversation of page 23/10608 that has been included hereafter as a means of evidence) between [suspect Saban B] and NN [suspect Berat K] ([T [] ).&lt;br /&gt;(Question: in this conversation [suspect Berat K] says that (comment by Donkey: a word is missing here, they probably mean [person 36]) went working. [Suspect Saban B] says that [suspect Berat K] has to watch out that (comment by Donkey: word missing, [person 36]?) doesn't receive other girls in her room and if that is the case he has to phone him.) I know nothing of these conversations of my husband and I see that he supervises me. But my husband really is a real busybody, but I need a man with a strong hand, who tells me what I should do. I can be easily influenced. He really is the man who helped me get rid of drugs. He is the first man whom I am really in love with. I have respect for my husband. I wasn't even able to tell the time. My husband taught me to tell the time, he's my father, my husband, my everything.&lt;br /&gt;We read out loud to the suspect the conversation line 30-G, number 691 (the court understands: the means of evidence that has been included hereafter as a means of evidence of page 23/10608).&lt;br /&gt;A: My husband doesn't want me to mix with [person 87].&lt;br /&gt;We have read out loud to you and let you hear a number of conversations.&lt;br /&gt;Q: It turns out that the bodyguards supervised the girls, but also look if they are working, because the girls simply have to work. Is that correct?&lt;br /&gt;Remark by officer:&lt;br /&gt;The suspect nods yes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;11. Testimony of [person 39] (February 22, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;(Remark by officer: the witness is shown a photo under number 11. On the photo a woman is depicted named [person 36], born [1984].)&lt;br /&gt;[Person 36] is the girlfriend of [suspect Saban B]. She was also intimidated. On the day that the police removed me from the house [person 36] had a quarrel with [suspect Saban B]. [Suspect Saban B] has beaten [person 36] then. I heard screaming and the sound of somebody that beats. Later [person 36] cried near me. [Person 36] didn't dare to talk about it, because [suspect Saban B] would become furious then. In the house [person 36] said to me that she hated [suspect Saban B] and that she loved him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;12. The testimony of [person 39] (January 29, 2008):&lt;br /&gt;During one evening, when [suspect Saban B] had a quarrel with [person 36], he beat her up terribly. I heard [suspect Saban B] and [person 36] having a quarrel. I heard the sound of a beating and after that I heard [person 36] crying. [Person 36] then told me that she was beaten more than once by [suspect Saban B].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;15. The testimony of [person 36] (October 9, 2009):&lt;br /&gt;The name [suspect Zafer O] does ring a bell. I do know who that is. We called him [Victor]. He also was a bodyguard. When you say to me that [Victor] has said to you, that I paid him most of the time and every now and then I paid [suspect Berat K], then I respond that most of the time I paid him myself. It is correct that I rented the house for the bodyguards. [Suspect Berat K] and [Victor] have lived there together.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;17. The testimony of [person 4] (April 22, 2008):&lt;br /&gt;I know [suspect Saban B]. I have seen that [suspect Saban B] beat other women. I mean to say that I have seen what they looked like after he had beaten them. I learned from [suspect Saban B] himself that he had beaten them. He regularly ordered me to bring ice. He then phoned sometimes to say that he had given [person 36] a black eye and that he needed ice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;38. The testimony of the suspect (Zafer O) (March 13, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;My nickname is [Victor]. Since 2001 I do bodyguard activities on De Wallen. I supervised them, they paid money to me every week. In the beginning of 2006 I had all kinds of girls whom I supervised. I always behaved properly. That's why I also was introduced to other girls. I have built up a reputation as a bodyguard. When there were problems with clients I mediated. I was present starting from 20.00 until 4.00 hours. In the weekend until 8.00 hours in the morning.&lt;br /&gt;I reside on the [address] in [city of residence] with [suspect Berat K].&lt;br /&gt;Around August 2004 I saw that a Polish girl on De Wallen was beaten black and blue by her Albanian pimp. I then brought her to Utrecht. I said to her that I would solve it. The Albanians then threatened me with a pistol. Also the unlicensed taxi driver who brought the girl to my house, was threatened by the Albanian. I have also helped [person 128] and [person 129], two Polish girls. Because there were three Polish girls in my house at that moment, I felt that I was in danger. [Person 128] and [person 129] then left, [person 48] stayed with me. I was still harassed by the Albanians. They wrecked my house and harassed her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. A wiretapped conversations between [suspect Ufuk T] alias [Chiko] and [F] (on September 19, 2006 15:34)&lt;br /&gt;U: I say it, sometimes you must grab them by the throat.. grab them by the hair this way.. and say like I will fuck you/will do something to you and look them in the eyes and throw them away like this. That will be sufficient for her then.&lt;br /&gt;F: So you say it like this, let them feel fear for a short while.&lt;br /&gt;U: I don't lie… I swear it to you.. lately we had a quarrel and I beat her very badly, I beat her a little bit. Now she is like a little lamb.&lt;br /&gt;F: Now she is a pussycat and she meows and she goes sitting in a corner.&lt;br /&gt;U: Yes, and after that I see that she has become sensible again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8. The testimony of [person 14] (October 29, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;You show me a series of photos containing 15 photos of men and you ask me if I recognise the men.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Photo 02.&lt;br /&gt;The man depicted on photo 02 is to person I know as [suspect Saban B]. He is the big man. When [suspect Saban B] says to others, jump out of the window, then they jump out of the window. I know that he had/has several women working for him. Aside from letting women work in prostitution he also is supposed to be occupied with arms trafficking. At the time I lived with [person 57] he brought together with [suspect Tayfun K] a gun to the house of [person 57] to store it there. That was a pistol and I've seen that myself.&lt;br /&gt;Remark by officer: The man depicted on photo 02 concerns [suspect Saban B].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Photo 03.&lt;br /&gt;That is the person I know as [Abu]. He was also such big boss as [suspect Saban B] and he has multiple women working for him in prostitution. He is a member of the group. I mean with that the criminal group that belongs to [suspect Saban B].&lt;br /&gt;Remark of officer: The man depicted on photo 03 concerns [suspect Bekir I].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;9. The testimony of [person 4] (November 19, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;You show me photographic records, containing a series of 58 photos of men. I can declare the following about that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Photo 02.&lt;br /&gt;The man depicted on photo 02 is [suspect Saban B], the man with whom I have had a relationship. [Suspect Saban B] was a pimp, a trafficker of several women. He was the big boss. I know that [person 36] was a woman of his, [person 9] was a woman of his, so was I and then also was a Polish woman. In addition to this, all people that had women working for them, who worked with him or next to him, were ought to hand over money to [suspect Saban B]. That's what he always said. In addition to trafficking in people [suspect Saban B] also trafficked in weapons.&lt;br /&gt;Remark by officer: The man depicted on photo 02 concerns [suspect Saban B].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Photo 03.&lt;br /&gt;The man depicted on photo 03 is known to me as [Abu]. He was a pimp, a human trafficker. He was the pimp of 3 girls, 2 of them I know by their first name, [person 16] and [person 34]. [Abu] drove around for [suspect Saban B] on the Zandpad to keep an eye on working women for [suspect Saban B].&lt;br /&gt;Remark by officer: The man depicted on photo 03 concerns [suspect Bekir I].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Photo 31.&lt;br /&gt;The man depicted on photo 31 is known to me as [suspect Hasan B], the brother of [suspect Saban B]. He is a pimp. He had two women, namely [person 58] and [person 66]. He was the pimp of these two women.&lt;br /&gt;Remark by officer: The man depicted on photo 31 concerns [suspect Hasan B].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Photo 32.&lt;br /&gt;The man depicted on photo 32 is known to me as [suspect Ufuk T]. He had a girl working for him with the name [person 20]. He protected me on the Zandpad.&lt;br /&gt;Remark by officer: the man depicted on photo 32 concerns [suspect Ufuk T].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;10. The testimony of [person 94] (February 21, 2004):&lt;br /&gt;Since approximately 2 months I work as an errand boy for a group of pimps on De Wallen in Amsterdam. They are all Turkish man and I only know their first name. They are named [suspect Saban B], [suspect Hasan B], [suspect Nuri T], [Chiko] (…). [Suspect Saban B] and [suspect Hasan B] are brothers of each other. They all come from Germany and know each other for a long time. The group has girls working for them. [Suspect Saban B] and [suspect Hasan B] are leaders of the group. I know that they are also occupied with weapons. I've also seen a firearm with [suspect Saban B], because [suspect Saban B] has threatened me with that. He showed me that weapon and he said that I had to keep on working for him. [Suspect Saban B] arranges weapons, (…) and girls. I believe that the group has at least 10 girls working here. Then they also have girls in Den Haag.&lt;br /&gt;I will tell what [suspect Saban B] orders me to do. When a girl has problems with a client then I receive a telephone call from [suspect Saban B]. Then by [suspect Saban B]'s order I have to go there. Then by [suspect Saban B]'s order I have to beat up the client. I have seen that [suspect Saban B], [suspect Nuri T] and [Chiko] beat up people when they take pictures of the girls. I know that [suspect Saban B], [suspect Nuri T] and [Chiko] have fought with a couple of Moroccans a couple of weeks ago. Everybody in the neighbourhood is afraid of the group. I know that pimps of other girls in the neighbourhood who don't belong to the group pay security levy to [suspect Saban B].&lt;br /&gt;The women and weapons they bring from Germany. I attended that one time. I mean with weapons, these small weapons which you can carry with you.&lt;br /&gt;The group thrashes the whole place here. Threaten everybody and beat up the whole place, frighten people. I'm very afraid of [suspect Saban B] and [suspect Hasan B] and their friends. If they know that I want to press charges against them, then they'll kill me. [Suspect Nuri T] and [suspect Saban B] have seen that I was taken to the police office. They both said in the Turkish language that I must say nothing, or else I was in deep shit.&lt;br /&gt;I have been apprehended because I was supposed to have threatened a whore. I did go to that girl. That happened by order of [suspect Saban B]. I had to say to her that she had to give all her money to [suspect Saban B] and [suspect Hasan B]. I had to threaten her. [Suspect Saban B] said to me that if she would make a fuss then I had to give some beatings.&lt;br /&gt;For two months I have worked every evening for [suspect Saban B]. I was forced to work by him. I couldn't get an evening off.&lt;br /&gt;I am convinced that all girls who are named by me work against their will for [suspect Saban B], [suspect Hasan B], [Chiko], (…) and [suspect Nuri T]. I know of all girls that they have to hand over their earned money.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;13. The testimony of [person 94] (April 22, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;Q: Since when are you active on De Wallen in Amsterdam in the Netherlands?&lt;br /&gt;A: Since approximately 18 months.&lt;br /&gt;Q: How did you end up there?&lt;br /&gt;A: I left prison and I went home. After a quarrel at home I went to De Wallen to the bridge at the Old Sailor. I then got to know [Victor]. After three days I got to know [Victor]. [Victor] always stood there. [Victor] is named [suspect Zafer O].&lt;br /&gt;Remark: we show the suspect a photo from the photographic records numbered 12 (the court understands: photo 12 from file 16).&lt;br /&gt;A: That is the [Victor] that I mean. After three weeks [Victor] asked me if I wanted to work as a bodyguard.&lt;br /&gt;Q: Which activities did you do on De Wallen in Amsterdam?&lt;br /&gt;A: When there were problems I simply had to get him out and to outside, it concerned clients who were annoying. I knew that I had to go to a woman because I was phoned then. [Victor] gave my telephone number to the girls. The girls told their names to me and then I knew where I had to go. After I had just started, they phoned [Victor] and then I accompanied [Victor] and [Victor] said to me who they were. After work I had to bring the women to the taxi.&lt;br /&gt;Q: What did the girls for whom you worked think?&lt;br /&gt;A: We received money from the girls, not from the pimps. Each week the girls gave money to [Victor]. Per girl they gave 50 euro to [Victor]. But it were girls belonging to pimps. It concerned as many as 30 girls. I knew that because I heard: that girl belongs to this pimp, this one belongs to this one and this one belongs to this one. [Victor] showed the girls to me and said this girl belongs to this pimp and that girl belongs to this one. He named the names. He said: this one belongs to that little group. You have to keep your hands off of them, or else they will kill you, they will demolish you.&lt;br /&gt;After I just started to work with him and while he showed me the girls, [Victor] told me a story. [Victor] told me that, during the time that I didn't work with him yet, a prostitute had broken her nose or something. A client had done that. I don't know which prostitute that was. [Victor] told me that he had to come to the pimps. Then the pimps gave him two black eyes, and they said: you had to be there, and when our girl gets something broken, we will break you too. [Victor] then told me that I wasn't supposed to do things to girls and what I was supposed to do and that they, the pimps, would otherwise do that to me.&lt;br /&gt;Q: Did [Victor] named names related to that?&lt;br /&gt;A: Yes always [suspect Saban B] and [suspect Nuri T]. The big boys.&lt;br /&gt;Q: Did [Victor] say that [suspect Saban B] and [suspect Nuri T] maltreated him?&lt;br /&gt;A: Yes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;42. The testimony of [person 65] (May 25, 2004):&lt;br /&gt;I have worked as a prostitute in Amsterdam starting from August 2003 until April 2004. I worked there next to two girls who worked for [suspect Saban B] and [suspect Hasan B]. These girls I know as [S], I call her [C], and [S] (remark by officers: [person 66] and [person 36] are meant).&lt;br /&gt;[Person 66] is the girlfriend of [suspect Hasan B]. They are forced to work in prostitution by [suspect Hasan B]. [Suspect Hasan B] uses much violence against her. I regularly saw bruises on her body. I could also often hear that [suspect Hasan B] was in the room of [person 66]. I then heard a quarrel, screaming from [person 66] and that apparently violence was used against her. [Person 66] also told me that [suspect Hasan B] beat her. She told me that she received beatings from him when she didn't earn enough. She received many beatings. She didn't leave him. She did want to, but she told me that she was afraid that he would go to her family. They don't know that she works in prostitution. She has to hand over all her earned money to [suspect Hasan B].&lt;br /&gt;[Person 36] is the girlfriend of [suspect Saban B]. She received many beatings from [suspect Saban B]. She has many bruises. I have often seen that. I have seen her working with two black eyes. She then told me that she was beaten up by [suspect Saban B] because she had palled up with a negro-pimp. [Person 36] is terrified of [suspect Saban B]. [Person 36] works 4 days each week and goes to Turkey each week to bring the money to [suspect Saban B].&lt;br /&gt;I can tell the following about [suspect Hasan B], [suspect Saban B] and [Monti] ([suspect Nuri T]):&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;The errand boys who work for [suspect Saban B] and [suspect Nuri T] don't collect money for them. [Suspect Hasan B], [suspect Saban B] and [suspect Nuri T] receive the money directly from the hands of the girls. The errand boys have to shop for the girls and have to throw out clients if that is necessary. The errand boys receive 150 euro per week per protected girl.&lt;br /&gt;At least one girl works for [suspect Nuri T] named [person 32]. Aside from [person 36] [suspect Saban B] also has [person 9] working for him and [suspect Hasan B] has, aside from [person 66], also [person 121] working for him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;43. A report of some officers (August 12, 2006):&lt;br /&gt;On August 12, 2006 the person known to us as [person 55] (born [1960] in [place of birth] in [country of birth]) appeared at our police office and declared the following.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect Ufuk T], [suspect Saban B] and [suspect Nuri T] were supposed to hang around regularly in Alkmaar and regularly reside in Vinkeveen. Also many women were supposed to reside here, as well as other pimps. We, officers, know that when [person 55] declares about [Chiko] that [suspect Ufuk T] is meant with this, with [S (comment by donkey: Saban?)] is meant [suspect Saban B] and with [Monti] is meant [suspect Nuri T].&lt;br /&gt;[Person 55] declares that, a girl who works in a police uniform, belongs to [suspect Ufuk T]. [Suspect Nuri T] has [person 67] and a Moroccan girl working for him. [Person 9], [person 36] and [person 83] were supposed to be working for [suspect Saban B]. [Suspect Hasan B] has also girls working for him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;47. The testimony of [person 4] (October 15, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;I have seen that [suspect Saban B] stored a firearm in a closet in my bedroom. That was when my daughter was born already. That was mid-November 2004. I once saw that [suspect Saban B], [suspect Ufuk T] or [suspect Hasan B] hid a firearm in the hole in the bathroom. The hole in the ceiling of the bathroom of my workroom on the Zandpad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;48. A wiretapped conversation between [suspect U(fuk) T] aka Chiko and [suspect Z(afer) O] aka Victor (September 8, 2006):&lt;br /&gt;[suspect ZO]: Hello?&lt;br /&gt;[suspect UT]: Yees.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect ZO]: Yes.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect UT]: You don't have to look at that girl, is that agreed?&lt;br /&gt;[suspect ZO]: It's okay, I know it. I knew it was becoming this way.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect UT]: You must only look at the girl of [person 109] and not at his former girl.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect ZO]: We don't look after [person 26] anymore?&lt;br /&gt;[suspect UT]: Do look at [person 26] and not look at [person 132].&lt;br /&gt;[suspect ZO]: Do look after [person 26] and not at [person 132], is agreed.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect UT]: Did you understand?&lt;br /&gt;[suspect ZO]: I understood it.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect UT]: That one doesn't work for us anymore, that one belongs to the Hells Angels.. you understand, that former girl of his, that one doesn't belong to us.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect ZO]: [Person 26].. Is that that small one. (short height)&lt;br /&gt;[suspect UT]: She phoned you lately didn't she, and said like, I cannot go working.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect ZO]: Mustn't I look after her.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect UT]: You have to be concerned with this one and not with the other.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect ZO]: Good. When that boy is here then I will phone you and he says my girl is here also and involves [suspect Cillekes Ö] in it, this and that.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect UT]: Okay, you have to be concerned with it, that's right.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect ZO]: Whom I should look after then, he has two girls now.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect UT]: He doesn't have two girls, he has one (1) girl.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect ZO]: That one below.. when he is with me I will phone.&lt;br /&gt;[suspect UT]: Is fine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Comment by Donkey: now I switch to another file. The LJN number of this file is: BP7662. You can download it here: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BP7662"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BP7662&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The testimony of several police officers (June 22, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;On May 7, 2007 we, officers, are approached by a woman whom we know under the work name [E]. Her full personal information is: [person 13], born in [place] on 1979, making use of the telephone number [nr.].&lt;br /&gt;It is known to us that [E], together with her girlfriend [W], came from Germany to Den Haag to work in prostitution. The full personal information of [W] is: [person 21], born in [place] in 1978, making use of her telephone number [nr.]. [E] says that since November 2006 she had to hand over money to [suspect Cillekes Ö] who is called [Hakan] who is approximately 25 years old. She asks if it is correct that he has been apprehended. She didn't want to tell much because she was afraid and his little friends still walk about freely here who will carry it out for him. She had just been phoned by him. On Tuesday, May 8, 2007 in the building on the [address] in Den Haag, there were talks with [E] and [W]. [W] tells that she has had a relationship for five years with [Hakan] and that she had to work in prostitution for him. She had to hand over the money to him. When she said that she wanted to stop working she was phoned by [S (comment by Donkey: do they mean Saban?)]. She is very afraid of him and then decided that she should just keep on working. She indicates that since three months ago she got rid of [Hakan]. She is afraid to press charges, in connection with the consequences for her mother and her little daughter in Germany. [Hakan] knows where they live.&lt;br /&gt;[E] tells that she has seen that [S (Saban?)] has beaten a girl with a baseball bat. She has also seen that he beat girls with his fists. Sometimes he went out eating and sleeping with multiple girls. Without reason, one of the girls was maltreated after that. [Saban] was seen by [E] and [W] as the boss. They are very afraid of him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. The testimony of [person 21] (January 15, 2010):&lt;br /&gt;Yes, I know [suspect Cillekes Ö]. Another name that I've heard, is [Hakan]. I have had a relationship with him. I got to&amp;nbsp;know him six or seven years ago in Frankfurt am Main. A couple of weeks later we&amp;nbsp;entered into&amp;nbsp;a relationship. He started talking about if I could work in the Netherlands instead of in Germany. I have thought about that. It didn't seem to be a bad idea. I started working in Alkmaar. I handed over my money to [Hakan]. When you ask me on whose initiative I gave the money to [Hakan], then I say that [Hakan] took the money from me. After eight or nine months I left. I saw [Hakan] again two or three years later. That was by coincidence. In Köln I got to&amp;nbsp;know [person 13]. At a certain moment [person 13] was together with a certain [S (Saban?)]. She wanted to visit him in Frankfurt and asked me if I wanted to accompany her. I have done that. In the cafe we encountered [S (Saban?)], and to my big surprise also [Hakan]. They knew each other. That was not known to me and to [person 13]. I then spoke a long time with [Hakan] and we came together again. [Hakan] proposed that [person 13] and I could work in Saarbrücken in a privéhuis. [Person 13] and I weren't there for a long time. [Person 13] didn't earn well there. We then asked if we were allowed to go to the Netherlands and that was allowed by [S (Saban?)] and [Hakan]. I was home for a couple of weeks and then I went to the Netherlands. Then [person 13] accompanied me. We then lived again in a holiday park in Vinkeveen. [Person 13] lived with [person 36] and I lived with [R]. [Person 13] and I worked in Utrecht.&lt;br /&gt;After I asked [person 36] for money for fuel one time, [suspect Saban B] and [Hakan] picked me up together with the jeep of [suspect Saban B]. [Suspect Saban B] was very angry and he wanted that [Hakan] would punish me. [Hakan] tried to calm [suspect Saban B] down a little and he said that it wasn't such a big story anyway. [Suspect Saban B] couldn't be calmed down however during such moments. [Suspect Saban B] then turned around to me in the car and screamed to me who I was supposed to think that I am. As a punishment I had to stay longer at work. I had to work longer. I wasn't allowed to phone. I wasn't allowed to talk to [Hakan]. When I was home I had to go to my room immediately. I felt as if I was punished like a small child. You notice that you see, that while I'm telling this I am very emotional and I'm crying. You ask me why I am so emotional about this. I say to you that I have seen a lot of what [suspect Saban B] has done with other women. He has beaten [person 36], among other persons, with a baseball bat. He pushed her down the stairs. Women were obligated by him to jump in the lake and stay in there until they were allowed to go out. [Suspect Saban B] has repeatedly told other men how they should treat their women. All men from the group were afraid of him. [Suspect Saban B] enjoyed this. He liked it when things happened like he wanted it to happen. [Hakan] also threatened with [suspect Saban B]. [Suspect Saban B] didn't beat me. I wasn't his woman. He did it in a more psychological way. He looks at you in a certain way and he says things in a certain way. Aside from this you see what he does with his own women. [Hakan] also became more and more like [suspect Saban B]. He said that I didn't earn so well anymore. I felt that he started to exert more pressure on me. If I would have given [Hakan] no money he wouldn't have been together with me. I am afraid, especially of a person other than [suspect Cillekes Ö]. I don't want to talk about this person. I don't dare to. He knows how to find me everywhere anyway. I went from the Netherlands to Germany. From Germany to the Netherlands again, and from the Netherlands to Belgium again. The police has said to me that they would give me police protection, but suddenly another person from the group stood before me once again. One time it was [suspect Cillekes Ö] himself. [Hakan] has beaten me one time. He gave me a heavy box on my ears because I didn't listen. [Hakan] was also afraid of [suspect Saban B]. [Hakan] also threatened with [suspect Saban B].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. The testimony of [person 21] (March 16, 2010):&lt;br /&gt;I could have never left the Netherlands if [suspect Saban B] would still have been there. The prostitution environment around [suspect Saban B] meant that the women who worked in this prostitution environment, were work machines. They haven't lived, they were all an object. They had to earn money. When not enough money was earned, they were punished. I have understood that they had to earn a certain amount of money per day. When this wasn't earned then they had to keep on standing until it was earned, or else they would get one inside from [suspect Saban B], either with the hand or with the baseball bat, or with whatever he could find. [Hakan] did benefit from my work in prostitution. I handed over all my money. I did feel threatened. It was psychological terror. My work name is [V]. My real name (comment by Donkey: some text seems to be missing here) [S (Saban?)] also called me [S].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Photo 17 (the court concludes: suspect)&lt;br /&gt;This man I know under many names. [Hakan], [J], [Ö] or little [Ö].&lt;br /&gt;With 'working' in my testimony at the examining judge of January 15, 2010, I mean working in prostitution.&lt;br /&gt;When the lawyer asks me if pressure has been exerted upon me regarding prostitution, then I say: 'yes, at the end yes'. It occurred that [Hakan] has exerted pressure upon me. When [suspect Saban B] was also there, he was ruder. This was mostly on the telephone. I then asked who was with him. He then said, when it was [suspect Saban B], that he was with the guru. That was my name for [suspect Saban B]. Then I knew he was with [suspect Saban B]. He then used really rude words. At first I wasn't afraid of [Hakan]. Later I was. That was also the reason why I left. This was psychological terror. This emerged because he had felt that I wanted to go away. The examining judge proposes the idea to me that fear for repercussion actually means that he would have created fear in me for the consequences if I would do something.&lt;br /&gt;Remark by examining judge: The lawyer has read out loud to the witness a part of the accusation regarding repercussion among other things. End of remark of the examining judge.&lt;br /&gt;This is a correct description of what I have experienced. This was indeed related to working in prostitution. When the lawyer asks me if it was difficult by any means to break free from [Hakan], to leave him, then I say: 'Yes'. That has also been the reason why I went to the police in the Netherlands. [Hakan] didn't want to let me go. My work name is [V].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. The testimony of [person 13] (November 27, 2007):&lt;br /&gt;In the meantime [V] and I had become friends. We found out that we both knew [Hakan]. [V] and I have to worked in Saarbrücken for a short while. [S (Saban?)] and [Hakan] brought us there. The business wasn't going very well there. During that time we spoke about going to the Netherlands. [S (Saban?)] and [Hakan] were the first to talk about this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. The testimony of [person 13] (February 18, 2008):&lt;br /&gt;I have worked for two weeks in Amsterdam. I didn't earn a lot in Amsterdam. I was ordered by [suspect Saban B] to work with [person 36]. Then I would earn more money. Then I went to sleep in the house of [suspect Saban B]. [Hakan] knew that I would have wanted to be together with [V]. We then could both work for him. I was supposed to be obligated to pay 1000 euro per week. 500 euro for him and 500 for [suspect Saban B]. That happened this way because [suspect Saban B] was the boss. [Hakan] had to confer with him if I could stay in the Netherlands. [Hakan] couldn't take that decision himself. He then had to confer with [suspect Saban B]. When I worked in Utrecht I still slept in the house of [suspect Saban B]. [Hakan] and [suspect Saban B] collected the money from me.&lt;br /&gt;In October we went to Den Haag. In the beginning we slept in the Ibis hotel. We were able to make agreements with [Hakan]. In the past [V] had given all her money to [Hakan], but since a certain moment we agreed that we had to hand over 1500 euro per week. Actually he wasn't such a great nuisance for us. After a short while it went wrong. That happened when we went to the hotel in Scheveningen, shortly before Christmas. Since that moment we had to hand over all our money. We only received a little bit of money from [Hakan]. Which actually received the money from his wife [F]. It was turned around then. We only got a little bit and he had everything. During Christmas we went to Germany then, and after New Year's Eve we came back. [V] then became ill and we haven't worked a lot. [V] had to go to the hospital. First in the Netherlands, then in Germany. [Hakan] actually did wonder why I couldn't just work in the Netherlands then. At the end I just had to go working in Germany then. We were phoned by [F] that [Hakan] was apprehended and in jail. [V] said that now we would arrange it all ourselves then.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. The testimony of [person 13] (December 2, 2006):&lt;br /&gt;I was afraid of the men. I just saw how [S (Saban?)] and [Hakan] treated their women. I was afraid that this would also happen to me. Women were beaten. Among other persons, [person 36] and [R] who worked for [suspect Saban B]. I was afraid of the reaction of the men if I wouldn't do what they said. I lived in the house of [suspect Saban B] and [person 36] for a short while. I sometimes heard [person 36] crying and screaming. [Person 36] said to me that it was about the fact that she hadn't earned enough as a prostitute. It made me even more frightened. That's why I didn't went into a discussion and I gave my money. [V] was threatened when I earned too little. The suspect then said to her that I had to watch out. He later said that [V] was responsible for my earnings. Because it did hardly interest me that I was being threatened, they threatened me via [V]. I didn't want that something bad would happen to her. That was my weak spot. It wasn't any different for [V]. She had a little child and he threatened her that he would do something to her child or her mother. I heard that [R] once put money in her shoe to withhold it this way. [Suspect Saban B] discovered that and she was heavily maltreated. I was so afraid because of that, that it didn't cross my mind to hide money. I saw no other option than to hand over my money. We didn't dare to run away because the suspect said that he knew where the daughter of [S] was.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-2274927924377717921?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/2274927924377717921/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=2274927924377717921' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/2274927924377717921'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/2274927924377717921'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/11/saban-and-gang-part-1.html' title='Saban and the gang (part 1)'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-7752579478985402823</id><published>2011-11-23T20:37:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2011-11-26T20:31:43.098+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Romanian forced prostitutes</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to offer some translations from a verdict on rechtspraak.nl. The LJN-number is BR1294. You can find the file here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BR1294"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BR1294&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the file 'het Poortje' is mentioned which is a window brothel in Haarlem. What is peculiar about this file is that the suspect is also sentenced for recruiting and then transporting a prostitute across a border. That is still illegal in the Netherlands. I find this law a bit antiquated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have to say, after reading all these verdicts, that human traffickers have little imagination. They always threaten the prostitutes: to kill family members, to kidnap the children of the prostitute, to reveal the occupation of the prostitute to the family, to kill the prostitute herself, etc...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It might explain why prostitutes always say to researchers and policemen that they work voluntarily. It seems that they have no other choice, otherwise something bad happens to them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't want to exaggerate. Not all prostitutes are coerced.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are some translated bits:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fact 1.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The testimony of suspect, meaning:&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] asked [fellow suspect] for money. 400 or 500 euro has been sent. I believe that I have sent money to [name 1] via Western Union. [Victim 1] and [name 1] came with the bus to Amsterdam. I picked them up then. I went with the taxi to the bus station. They still owe me approximately 80 euro for the taxi. They came to live with [fellow suspect] and me. There was an agreement that we would share the rent. The rent was 1000 euro per month. The costs of eating was also divided. [Victim 1] asked [fellow suspect] 250 euro for the workroom. [Fellow suspect] has lent [victim 1] clothes.&lt;br /&gt;Money has actually been paid off. I don't know how much has been paid off. There also have been payments to [fellow suspect].&lt;br /&gt;The money has indeed been given to me. This was the money that [victim 1] still owed to [fellow suspect]. It concerned 500 euro. I received this money from [victim 1].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. The testimony of suspect, meaning:&lt;br /&gt;I live off the earnings of my girlfriend [fellow suspect]. This money she earns in prostitution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. The testimony of suspect, meaning:&lt;br /&gt;I have multiple girlfriends. That's correct. I ended the relationship with [fellow suspect]. I then got a relationship with [victim 2]. Somewhat later I met [fellow suspect] again and then I couldn't choose anymore between both of them. A month earlier I met [name 3]. I also have a relationship with her. I now have three sweethearts with whom I have a sexual relationship.&lt;br /&gt;I have never worked in the Netherlands. As I said, I don't have money at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. The testimony of suspect, meaning:&lt;br /&gt;The costs of the car, such as the insurance, road tax and the like, are paid by the girls, because in fact they use the car.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. The testimony of the woman who reported the crime to the police [victim 1] (September 17, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;I went to Spain in February 2010 to find work. I was in Spain for a week. On February 26, 2010 I was in the Netherlands. A boy with whom I went to Spain, [name 1], had contact with [suspect] via internet. I have also spoken with [suspect] via the telephone. He knew that I was searching for work and he said that he could help me with that in the Netherlands. [Suspect] said there were windows in the Netherlands and that his girlfriend also worked there, that it was safe and that she wanted to help me with that. I subsequently also spoke with his girlfriend [fellow suspect] who worked at the windows. She said that it was safe and she wanted to help me with that. I was supposed to receive workclothes.&lt;br /&gt;The police asks: so [suspect] has asked you to go working in prostitution here in the Netherlands?&lt;br /&gt;Yes, that's right. I needed money and I knew nobody in the Netherlands. [Suspect] told that his wife earned good money.&lt;br /&gt;I received money from her in the Netherlands to rent the room. She didn't ask for money then. Later she said to me that I had to give her 50 euro every day. I have never worked in prostitution in Romania. When [suspect] started talking about this I started to think about it for the first time. [Suspect] sent me money to come to the Netherlands. He transferred 400 euro to me via Western Union. I came to the Netherlands with a bus. I arrived in Amsterdam. [Suspect] picked me up there with the taxi. I travelled with a friend. We went to the house of [suspect], in [address] in Haarlem. The wife of [suspect], [fellow suspect], was also in the house. [Suspect] told me that I had to pay 1000 euro back to him, because he has helped me to let me come to the Netherlands and to arrange work. Only just after arriving in the Netherlands I heard that I had to pay him that 1000 euro. I said to him that I didn't have the money. He said to me that I would earn that when I was working. I was totally shocked by that. After that I paid him another 1200 or 1300 euro for the money that he sent to me and for other costs. That amount of money included 400 euro for the trip to the Netherlands, 500 euro for the rent of the house, 150 euro for the workroom and the costs of the taxi.&lt;br /&gt;I slept in the living room of the house. I didn't have much privacy. I slept on the couch. I didn't have a key of the house, that's what [suspect] had.&lt;br /&gt;The next day after I arrived the Netherlands I started working. [Fellow suspect] showed me the way at het Poortje. She spoke with the boss on behalf of me. She gave me condoms and workclothes. Each workday was from 12.00 hours until 00.00 hours. [Suspect] repeatedly asked me for money to lend. [Fellow suspect] also asked this repeatedly. The debt that has been spoken about during the first evening I paid off quickly already. When they went to Romania for a couple of days they asked me for money. [Suspect] bought another car and then asked me for money. And for the birthday of [fellow suspect] and for shopping. All added up together it is more than 1000 euro anyway. No agreements have been made about the money lent.&lt;br /&gt;It probably was June 18, 2010. I took a girlfriend with me, [name 4]. [Suspect] stood up and started to beat me with both hands. He beat me in the face, in my ribs, my belly and my stomach. He did this with clenched fists. I felt pain. [Suspect] said that he wanted to kill me and that I should go to hell.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] said to me that I had to give him 700 euro so that he could go to Romania. I said to him that I only had 200 euro. I lent 500 euro from another girl. Her name is [name 5]. When [name 5] and her boyfriend were there to give the money, [suspect] sent my girlfriend [name 4] and the boy from Romania downstairs to take the money. [Name 5] wanted to see me first. I accompanied [name 4] and the Romanian boy. When [name 5] saw me, she wanted to take me with her. That didn't work, because the Romanian boy retained me.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] told me that he would take me to Romania and that I wouldn't survive it. He said that he would phone his friends and he said that he would send these friends to my family to kill them. He said that if I wanted to stay longer in the Netherlands, I had to pay him 50 euro per day, six days per week, for six months. [Suspect] said that I shouldn't go to the police. He said that he didn't want to have problems at the border and if that would happen, he would go to my parents or phone a friend who would go to my parents. [Suspect] departed to Romania. I went to [name 4] and went to live with her. I paid the 50 euro for two weeks. I was afraid with respect to my family.&lt;br /&gt;When [suspect] and [fellow suspect] were back in the Netherlands they still wanted me to give money to them. I said to them that I should have paid everything by now. Two weeks ago [fellow suspect] came to my window at het Poortje and she said that she wanted to have the money starting from the day that I didn't pay anymore.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. The testimony of [victim 1], meaning:&lt;br /&gt;I was being threatened by [suspect]. I was also threatened via telephone, not only by [suspect], but also by [fellow suspect]. Such a threat meant that they would break my legs. I didn't come here to be maltreated or to hand over money.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7. The testimony of [fellow suspect], meaning:&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] has transferred 400 euro to [name 1] for the trip of [victim 1]. She came together with her boyfriend. [Suspect] has picked up [victim 1] and [name 1] from the bus station in Amsterdam. [Victim 1] had to pay back the money to [suspect] for the trip, the rent, the food and all that she needed to start working. I have asked to the boss if a new girl was allowed to come and could come. The area is called het Poortje.&lt;br /&gt;When I departed to Spain she still had to pay 800 euro. As a rule she still had a debt of 1000 euro with me, but when I departed to Spain I asked her 200 euro. She was compelled to give me this amount of money, because I didn't have enough for the trip. It was my money and she had to give me this. [Suspect] asked [victim 1] for money which belonged to us together. [Suspect] had no money. My money was his money and the other way around. It was our money.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8. The testimony of [fellow suspect], meaning:&lt;br /&gt;V: We noticed that [suspect] asks you how many clients you have had, but that he also asks that to other women. What's the meaning of this?&lt;br /&gt;A: Yes, he perhaps asked this to let me feel that I didn't earn much money. He said the whole time, why do they make money and you don't?&lt;br /&gt;V: You have already said that he had no money.&lt;br /&gt;A: He has multiple girlfriends doesn't he? If one doesn't do anything, the other does have something?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;9. The testimony of [name 5], meaning:&lt;br /&gt;On a certain moment [suspect] and [fellow suspect] wanted to steal the money from [victim 1]. As far as I know they wanted to have money from [victim 1] at the end of each week. At least 400 euro each week. I've heard this from [fellow suspect]. [Fellow suspect] said to me that [victim 1] still had to give her thousands of euros. [Suspect] in his turn said this to [fellow suspect]. But this is not true.&lt;br /&gt;[Fellow suspect] arranged that [victim 1] came to the Netherlands and that cost a lot of money, but she paid that off a long time ago. [Suspect] was always bragging that he brought women from Romania and let them work here and that he wanted money for that. They intended to snatch all the money that [victim 1] earned. Yes, that's what [fellow suspect] said to me.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] once phoned to me and asked me to lend out 500 euro, otherwise she would be killed. [Suspect] needed this money to go to Romania. [Victim 1] phoned to me around 2 or 3 o'clock in the night and she cried and she asked if she could lend 500 euro from me. She sounded really upset. [Victim 1] went downstairs with a Romanian man, named [name 10]. He was the chauffeur of [suspect]. I saw that [victim 1] looked untidy. Her hair was unkempt. I saw that her eyes were thick as a result of crying. I saw that she was broken and she could hardly talk anymore. I said to [victim 1] that she had to come with me in the car. The chauffeur didn't agree with that. I said to the chauffeur that he had to promise that [victim 1] wouldn't be beaten anymore. He said that he would do his best. I gave the money to her. Later [victim 1] told that she was beaten up and kicked by [suspect].&lt;br /&gt;I knew furthermore that [victim 1] had to transfer 50 euro to him each day. On a certain moment I said to her that she had to stop. That's what she did. This was somewhere in July 2010.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;10. The testimony of [name 6], meaning:&lt;br /&gt;In June 2010 [suspect] and [fellow suspect] departed from Haarlem. We hadn't seen them for a couple of months. Suddenly [fellow suspect] was in Haarlem in September and visited the workplace of [victim 1]. That's why she reported the crime to the police as late as September. The report to the police had to do with the quarrel and the scandal of June 2010 about which I don't want to testify further. In June I was in the house of [suspect] and [fellow suspect]. [Victim 1] resided in the house at that moment. [Victim 1] asked me to accompany her, she was afraid of [suspect]. After work I went to her house. That was around 23.00 or 24.00 hours. At that moment the quarrel was already in progress. I departed 3 or 4 hours later, then the escalating began. The next day [victim 1] asked if she could live with me. I don't want to testify anything about the maltreatment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;11. The report of findings, meaning:&lt;br /&gt;During the interrogation, witness [name 6] indicated that she didn't want to testify. I, officer [name 11], asked to the witness after the interrogation what she would do if the examining judge would summon her as a witness. She then indicated that she would answer the questions asked. She indicated that it was true that she was a witness of the maltreatments by [suspect] and that she also wouldn't lie about that. She literally said: '[suspect] knows that I've seen it.'&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;12. The testimony of [name 7], meaning:&lt;br /&gt;I did often bring girls to their work in Leeuwarden and Heerenveen. I mean with this that I brought and picked up girls who worked in prostitution to and from their work. I picked up and brought the girls to their work at their own request under the authority of [suspect]. Every now and then I received something. I then received money from [suspect]. The girls didn't pay me. I did receive a pack of cigarettes from them every now and then. I wasn't in their service you see. I did business with [suspect] and not with the girls.&lt;br /&gt;You ask me what kind of work [suspect] does. He plays/gambles in the casino. He doesn't work. I accompanied him multiple times to the casino. [Suspect] lost money most of the time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;13. The testimony of [name 8], meaning:&lt;br /&gt;[Name 7] is the permanent chauffeur of [suspect]. [Suspect] drinks a lot of alcohol. He loves gambling. He made a lot of debts in Romania because of this. When [suspect] drank alcohol, he becomes annoying. I have seen sometimes that while he was drunk he became more hard-handed towards women. Then he pushed them away from him hard-handedly. I've seen sometimes that women sometimes get a kick under their ass by [suspect].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;14. The written document, namely a wiretap-report (November 28, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;(…) (Comment by Donkey: that's in the file, I don't skip anything)&lt;br /&gt;[Name 9]: Right. I actually said it to her on the phone. She didn't do anything there.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: That's obvious. I knew that.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 9]: Only 35 euro, 35 euro because she was having a drink with a guy and he gave her 35 euro.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 9]: You understand that they know that I know.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: Who knows what kind of club or discotheque.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 9]: She said that if I wanted to, she takes photographs and she shows me how these folks are playing poker. Perhaps they do play poker there but they certainly didn't come there to fuck.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: By God, what is this then [name 9].&lt;br /&gt;[Name 9]: I don't earn a penny with this one, not the room and I also will not be able to pay off the debt. I piss on her!&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: Friend, I'll phone to you in about five minutes, because I make pork shoulder chops with polenta.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 9]: You should speak with [name 3] man, that she arranges for her there for Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, so that I can pay off my debt.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: I will say it, but I do not believe that she will succeed. I believe it will be almost nothing. I promise nothing.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 9]: Speak with [name 3]. [Name 3] is a good girl, ask her that she arranges something at least before that Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, and then I get her out of here or my dick knows what I do, I let her do what I want.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: I'll speak to you after that.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 9]: Then I'll leave her to you. If you succeed in charming her then you'll do that and otherwise you'll see what you do with her.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: Who are you talking about?&lt;br /&gt;[Name 9]: About this one, if you succeed, you do extract money from it. I received her from you no matter what. Be at ease, you aren't crazy aren't you? If I didn't succeed, perhaps you will succeed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;15. The written document, namely a wiretap-report (December 9, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: I let you now. I am in Heerenveen. I have no penny, I will wheedle something out of her, so I will get inner tubes for my car, my dick.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 9]: She will give you money. She also said to me that she will do that, so you can buy inner tubes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;16. The written document, namely a wiretap-report (December 1, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: Listen, that idiot didn't earn a penny, not even the room. Just see what you are going to do. Do you have enough for your room?&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2]: Yes.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: Bravo, that bitch is doing nothing for four days. I swear it to you.&lt;br /&gt;I first brought her to Almelo, from Almelo I moved her to Deventer, and now it also isn't very good there. What else should I do, should I go through the whole Netherlands?&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2]: but you have said that I should stay here.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: You stayed there! This is not good, damned! It cannot be like this anymore! See what you are doing, just draw one in for 100-150. Still another two or three. You must help her. You won't go to sleep until you made enough for your room!&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2]: I won't go to sleep, be at ease.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: If that won't succeed earlier than 7 o'clock, then you will stay awake until 7 o'clock! Yes?!&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2]: Yes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With the conviction of the court that the suspect took advantage of the sexual exploitation of [victim 1], the court also includes among other things the wiretapped conversation of the suspect with [name 9]. From the wiretapped conversation between the suspect and [name 9] it emerges that [name 9] proposes that the suspect takes over a girl from him, because he earns nothing from her. He thinks that the suspect will perhaps succeed to make money from her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fact 2.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The testimony of [name 7], meaning:&lt;br /&gt;We drove to the Netherlands around November 23 or 24, 2010. We drove via Timisoaru or Arad. Then to Hungary, Austria and Germany. In the Netherlands we crossed the border. From Deventer we drove further to Leeuwarden. You ask me if I only went with [suspect] to the Netherlands. I believe there was a girl named [victim 2]. She lay sleeping on the backseat of the car. I believe [victim 2] is the same as whom I also name [victim 2].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. The testimony of [fellow suspect], meaning:&lt;br /&gt;The last time, [victim 2] came with [suspect] in the car of [name 7]. [Victim 2] had already worked in prostitution and she wanted to work in prostitution. [Victim 2] went home only for two days for her passport.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. The testimony of [victim 2], meaning:&lt;br /&gt;Seven months ago I made the choice to work in prostitution, because it earned more. I only came here to work behind the windows. I now have a passport and an ID-card.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. The written document, namely a wiretap-report (November 23, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;On being asked, [suspect] says that he has departed now. [Fellow suspect] asks if [victim 2] has taken her belongings with her. [Fellow suspect] says that if they depart now, that tomorrow at this hour of the day they will be here. [Name 7] would be driving 130 kilometer on the highway, says [suspect]. [Fellow suspect] asks him not to come via Breda, because there they will be immediately arrested. [Suspect] says that they will come via Oberhausen then, but that there will be no problems, since they have a Dutch license plate.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] says that there has to be a phone call for a room for [victim 2]. [Fellow suspect] says that she cannot phone herself, because they know her phone number. They agree that they have to ask somebody else to phone for a room.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. The written document, namely a wiretap-report (November 23, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] asks [fellow suspect] to let somebody phone for [victim 2]. If [fellow suspect] doesn't arrange it herself [suspect] will ask somebody to phone for [victim 2]. [Fellow suspect] says that she will ask somebody tomorrow morning to phone for [victim 2].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. The written document, namely a wiretap-report (November 23, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;On being asked, [suspect] confirms that they have crossed the border. [Fellow suspect] informs if the girl sleeps. The answer is no.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7. The written document, namely a wiretap-report (November 23, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] says that they have arrived in Austria and that [victim 2] is asleep.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] says that the trip cost a lot and that [fellow suspect] has to earn 150 or 200 euro tomorrow, so that she earns the trip back. [Fellow suspect] becomes angry and says to him that he mustn't talk that way in the presence of the girl, because the girl could get strange thoughts about that. [Suspect] doesn't care what the girl does or does not think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8. The written document, namely a wiretap-report (November 24, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;On being asked, [suspect] says that they are already in Germany. They have arrived in Germany approximately an hour ago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;9. The written document, namely a wiretap-report (November 24, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;On being asked, [suspect] says that they must be near the border now. [Fellow suspect] says that [suspect] must phone when they are in the Netherlands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;10. The written document, namely a wiretap-report (November 24, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] still has another 12 kilometers until Deventer. [Fellow suspect] has to prepare herself to depart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;11. The written document, namely a wiretap-report (November 26, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: How is it going [suspect]a? (Comment by Donkey: I don't understand this)&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2]: Nothing, I have moved to another room.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: You have moved to another room?&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2]: Yes, that room I only had for yesterday.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: And? Is this room better?&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2]: Just like the other.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: What's going on with you?&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2]: Nothing.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: Don't be so disappointed. Today there is a new day.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2]: Yes, it is a new day.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: Yes?&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2]: (approving sound)&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: Well, today you'll also earn some, you don't disappoint us anymore hey?&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2]: Do you think that I didn't want to yesterday? You must know that I would have wanted to earn the whole time.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect]: Well, that's just the way it is. Well, let it be. We'll see! Come on!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The court considers about this as follows. [Victim 2] has testified that she was active as a prostitute for some time in the Netherlands. She went back for a couple of days to Romania, because she had problems with her passport. After that she came back to the Netherlands to continue her activities in prostitution. [Victim 2] drove back to the Netherlands on November 23 and 24, 2010 together with the suspect and the chauffeur [name 7]. Furthermore it turns out that the suspect ordered [fellow suspect] to arrange a workroom for [victim 2]. From the wiretapped conversation between the suspect and [victim 2] of November 26, 2010 it clearly emerges that in the meantime [victim 2] is active as a prostitute again.&lt;br /&gt;In the opinion of the court it follows from the above-mentioned means of evidence - seen in interconnection - that we can speak of recruiting and bringing [victim 2] with a view to bring her in prostitution in the Netherlands. While doing this the suspect worked closely and consciously together with others, that is [fellow suspect], who arranged the workroom, and [name 7], who acted as chauffeur from Romania to the Netherlands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fact 3.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The testimony of the suspect, meaning:&lt;br /&gt;Q: We have discussed the basis of the report (of the victim to the police) with you. What was the reason for you to make contact with [victim 1] and speak with her about the report (she made to the police)?&lt;br /&gt;A: There was no particular reason that I went to talk with [victim 1] via internet or the telephone. She told me that she had been to the police. I didn't have to worry, because she would withdraw her report. She told that she had made a mistake.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. The testimony of the suspect, meaning:&lt;br /&gt;Q: The following conversation is read out loud to you, this conversation took place on November 26, 2010, from 13.29.25 – 13.37.29 hours, including: '[suspect] says that [victim 1] would do a good thing if she would withdraw her report to the police.'&lt;br /&gt;A: It is correct that I had this conversation with [victim 1].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. The testimony of [victim 1], meaning:&lt;br /&gt;Q: After you made a report to the police against [suspect] have you been threatened or intimidated in one way or another by [suspect]?&lt;br /&gt;A: Yes, he has phoned me several times and sent me SMS text messages to try to make an appointment with me. [Suspect] said to me in several telephone conversations that I had to say to the police that I had to withdraw the report and that I am his ex-girlfriend.&lt;br /&gt;Q: I was actually scared. I said to him again and again that I would withdraw the report, that I was busy doing that, because I wanted to keep him satisfied. But I absolutely didn't want to withdraw the report.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. The written document, namely a wiretap-report (November 26, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] wants to know now if [victim 1] has indeed been to the police or not. [Victim 1] says that she actually had been to the police. [Suspect] says that they have to do something to undo all that has been done. Suppose that the police apprehends him and he gets problems with that. [Victim 1] says that it won't be happening anymore, because she has been to the police herself and said that she didn't want the police to take measures, because she doesn't want her parents to know. [Suspect] wants to set the record straight anyway and he doesn't want to get in trouble. He also has plans for the future and he doesn't want that to be thwarted. [Victim 1] assures him that nothing will happen to him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. The written document, namely an SMS text message (November 28, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] darling, take up the phone. Let's see what we will do with the report. What's going on with you, I didn't&amp;nbsp;bother you didn't I.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. The written document, namely an SMS text message (November 28, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;So daddy's girl, I eat your little eyes, but you have to know very well what you are going to say.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7. The written document, namely an SMS text message (November 28, 2010), meaning:&lt;br /&gt;(Comment by Donkey: I skip a bit here)&lt;br /&gt;You must say that you were my lover and it has come to this because of jealousy. Send me an SMS tomorrow, so that I know how it went.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-7752579478985402823?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/7752579478985402823/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=7752579478985402823' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/7752579478985402823'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/7752579478985402823'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/11/romanian-forced-prostitutes.html' title='Romanian forced prostitutes'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-2010032962784406076</id><published>2011-11-17T20:47:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2011-12-15T15:54:09.480+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Two forced prostitutes on the Zandpad</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another verdict from the rechtspraak.nl-website. I will offer some translations. The LJN-number is: BQ6884. You can find the document here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BQ6884"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BQ6884&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, the pimp was sentenced to 8 years in jail. Here are some translated part:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The court considers it to be lawfully and convincingly proved that the suspect committed various variants of human trafficking regarding [victim 1]. First of all, the court relies on the testimonies of [victim 1]. From these testimonies the following is shown.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] has lived at home until the age of 15. Once a man came to ask permission to marry her. This man was [suspect] and he came from Utrecht. [Suspect] came together with his mother to the house of [victim 1] and asked the mother and the uncle of [victim 1] permission to marry her. Within a week [victim 1] was married to [suspect]. She then was 15 years old.&lt;br /&gt;After the marriage [suspect] went back to the Netherlands after a week. [Victim 1] then stayed in Morocco. When he came back after seven or eight months, he said to her that her documents were ready and that she was allowed to accompany him to the Netherlands. [Suspect] told her that she would study and work in the Netherlands.&lt;br /&gt;In the Netherlands [victim 1] came to live in the house of her mother-in-law, on the [address]. Later on she went living with [suspect] in Bilthoven. Also after she lived in Bilthoven, she went back to the house of her mother-in-law. She had the key of the house of her mother-in-law. She has also lived with other family members of [suspect].&lt;br /&gt;During the period that [victim 1] lived with her mother-in-law, her passport was in the possession of [suspect].&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] couldn't read or write the Dutch language. She knew nothing about the Netherlands. She wasn't allowed by [suspect] to follow Dutch lessons. She has only been to school for 1 or 2 days.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since the first day that she lived in the Netherlands, she was beaten by [suspect]. She was beaten with the hand or with shoes. [Suspect] once also shaved her head bare. Then her hair was so short that she couldn't grab it anymore. This was during the wedding of the brother of [suspect], [involved person 6]. She was also raped in her anus.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] has threatened her that he would kill her and her mother and sisters. [Victim 1] was obligated by [suspect] to have sex with other men for money. He taught her gestures for giving a blowjob and fucking. [Suspect] also demonstrated it with a banana and a condom. She worked seven days per week, also when she was ill or menstruating. She was obligated to work by [suspect] when she was pregnant, but she was obligated by the police to stop working because of the pregnancy.&lt;br /&gt;The first months her room on the Zandpad in Utrecht was arranged by [suspect]. At the moment she knew how to do it herself, she arranged it herself from then on.&lt;br /&gt;On March 6, 2009, when she worked on the Zandpad, [victim 1] declared to the police that [suspect] acted as her chauffeur every now and then.&lt;br /&gt;The money that she earned she had to give to [suspect]. If she didn't give money to him, then he would kill her. The more money that she earned, the better it was. She earned at least between 500 and 700 guilders per day and at most between 2000 and 3000 guilders per day. She never earned less than €500 per day (comment by Donkey: yes, they are mixing up the currencies). When [suspect] was in jail, she had to send the money to the prison and pay rent to a Czech man for a restaurant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] gave her drugs. Since the age of 17 she started to use drugs. She couldn't work without the drugs and the drugs took her shame away, it made her less shy. She never obtained the drugs herself, [suspect] did that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Period&lt;br /&gt;Despite the fact that the file contains indications that [victim 1] was in the Netherlands also before July 1, 1999 and set to work in prostitution by [suspect], there is insufficient lawful evidence for this, so that the suspect will be acquitted of the fact that he is accused of under 1.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Supporting evidence of the testimony of [victim 1] is found by the court in - among other things - the testimony of the suspect during the session of the court of March, 7:&lt;br /&gt;I married [victim 1] in Morocco when she was 16 years old, with the permission of her parents. In the documents of the file is exactly indicated when we married. I divorced in 2006. The divorce was declared in the beginning of 2006. The relationship did last longer.&lt;br /&gt;I have arranged the trip of [victim 1] to the Netherlands. In the Netherlands we lived on the address [address] in Bilthoven. She has also lived with my family. She has lived almost with my whole family. Before my detention we also lived at my mother's place, because my mother is disabled.&lt;br /&gt;Concerning the Zandpad: I did know it and I did agree with it. In the beginning I did have problems with it. Later I had less problems with it.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] didn't speak Dutch in the beginning. She also couldn't read or write in Arabic. She was able to speak the Arabic language however.&lt;br /&gt;I did bring and/or pick her up sometimes to/from Amsterdam and Utrecht. In Utrecht I brought and picked her up less often.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] worked with variation, 5 days at most. She worked a various number of hours per day. Sometimes she began during the morning and worked until 16.00 or 17.00 hours. [Victim 1] worked when she was menstruating.&lt;br /&gt;She used coke and xtc pills. She also drank alcohol.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] does know people, people from work among other things, [name], [name], [name], [name]. I did come on the Zandpad, because I dropped her off there.&lt;br /&gt;It is correct that I did have some contact with [victim 1] after the divorce. That has been until approximately 3 weeks before I went with [victim 2] to the police office.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Residence permits&lt;br /&gt;On May, 18 1998 [suspect] made a request at the IND (immigration and naturalisation service) for an authorisation for a temporary residence for his wife [victim 1]. In a letter from the IND of June 29, 1999 it is stated that the authorisation for a temporary residence has been granted. A visa has been issued to [victim 1] that is valid since August 26, 1999. From the stamp on her passport it emerges that she arrived in Belgium on August 30, 1999.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Living addresses&lt;br /&gt;Since September 3, 1999 [victim 1] was registered on the address [address] in Bilthoven. Since December 6, 2005 until June 20, 2006 [victim 1] was registered on the address [address] in Utrecht. The address [address] in Utrecht is the address of the mother of [suspect].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person 1], the mother of [suspect], testified to the examining judge that [victim 1], after she had arrived in the Netherlands, went to live in a house in Bilthoven. [Victim 1] once lived temporarily in her home, in the period that [victim 1] and [suspect] were already divorced. [Victim 1] has also lived temporarily with [involved person 3], with [involved person 4] and with [involved person 5].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person 2] has testified to the examining judge that [victim 1] often resided in the house of the mother of [suspect], and she was quite one of the family there. [Victim 1] also lived with [involved person 3], with [involved person 4] and with [involved person 6].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person 7] has testified to the examining judge that [victim 1] has lived with him and his wife in 2006-2007, in the period that [suspect] was imprisoned.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Violence and threats&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person 8] has testified to the examining judge that [victim 1] was maltreated by her husband and he saw that she always had a bruise somewhere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person 9] has testified to the examining judge that he saw wounds near the eye of [victim 1], a cut near her nose and he has seen that her nose was crooked.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;During a conversation on September 17, 2009 in the presence of the police [victim 1] shouted in the direction of [suspect] "you are a cancer pimp, you beat me to play whore".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person 10] (work name [involved person 10]) has testified to the police that she got to&amp;nbsp;know [victim 1] (work name [name]) when they both worked on the Zandpad and that she knew that the husband of [victim 1] was her pimp. When [victim 1] stayed with her in Amsterdam [victim 1] told her that she was beaten by her husband when she didn't work enough hours, says [involved person 10]. [Victim 1] also told her that she was anally raped by her husband.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In December 1996 (comment by Donkey: don't they mean 2006?) [victim 1] sought contact with the police and she told that [suspect] threatened her with death via telephone. She tells that she is scared to death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] has testified that her work name on the Zandpad was [name].&lt;br /&gt;Formulieren Overdracht Zandpad (= transfer forms Zandpad) are used by relief workers of the Huiskamer Aanloopproject Prostituees (HAP = living room of visitors project for prostitutes) to report details of prostitutes on the Zandpad in Utrecht, who visited the office of the HAP. The mentioned forms include the following among other things:&lt;br /&gt;-Friday, November 26, 200(4) (remark by the court: year not very well readable, but by paying attention to the combination of date/day of the week, it should be 2004):&lt;br /&gt;[name] (a Moroccan female) had stitches above her right eye and the eye had been thick and blue, had a conflict with her husband, is married to him for seven years.&lt;br /&gt;-June 17, 2005: [name] has broken her right leg. She was asked if her husband had anything to do with it. No, this time it wasn't.&lt;br /&gt;-March 3, 2006: [name] (a Moroccan female) was back... She is divorced from her husband, he maltreated her. We did see M with eyes that had been beaten black and we have seen stitches.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On November 20, 2004 patient [victim 1] came to the Diakonessenhuis with a wound on her forehead which continued until her right eyebrow. The wound has been stitched.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bare head&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] has testified that the suspect shaved her head bare with a knife. This should have been in the period around the marriage of [involved person 6] and [involved person 11]. [Involved person 11] has testified to the examining judge that on October 23, 2003 she married with [involved person 6] and that she knew [victim 1] a couple of days then. On her wedding [victim 1] had short hair, a little bit like a boyish haircut. She could just put her hair behind her ears. She could remember that [victim 1] had long hair before that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hot spoons&lt;br /&gt;The suspect will be acquitted of the segment of the accusation of fact 4, that is about the pushing/bringing of hot spoons under the feet/sole, because the supporting evidence is lacking in the file and the own testimony of [victim 1] about this is inconsistent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Balcony/open window&lt;br /&gt;The suspect will be acquitted of the segment of the accusation of fact 4, that is about the pushing off the balcony and/or through an open window, because the testimony of [victim 1] is unambiguous regarding this point and there is insufficient evidence of this part in the file.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rape&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person 10] (work name [involved person 10]) has testified to the police that [victim 1] has told her that she was raped by her husband in her anus.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2] has testified to the examining judge that she was also raped by the suspect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Transport&lt;br /&gt;Officer [officer 1] has testified to the examining judge that he has seen once or twice that [suspect] dropped off [victim 1] on the parking lot opposite the Zandpad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The number of working hours&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person 7] has testified to the examining judge that [victim 1] worked starting from around 9 o'clock until 16.00 hours or 17.00 hours.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Income that was handed over&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person 8] has testified to the examining judge that [victim 1] must have earned money like gold with her work, because she was occupied often. She didn't have money, not even for a pack of cigarettes. She lived from the costs of family and friends. He himself paid her €100 on average and he has calculated that she must have gathered at least 2 million.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The landlord [involved person 12] of the building [address] in Utrecht, where the suspect wanted to establish an eating-house/catering firm named [name], has testified that [suspect] paid the rent in the beginning and that after that a girlfriend of his, who said she was his wife, paid the rent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2] has testified the following: One day he said he had a Moroccan woman in his service in Utrecht. She worked at the little boats. He told that the work yielded approximately €1000 per day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A limited control of the Dutch language&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person 3] has testified to the examining judge that [victim 1] had no education and that she couldn't read and write.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Involved prison 8] has testified to the examining judge that [victim 1] spoke Dutch poorly. She could make clear if things went well or bad with her. Within a long story it was difficult to separate cause and effect. She lagged behind in her development, she picked up little Dutch. She also knew little about the Netherlands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Use of) drugs&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person 7] has testified that drugs have been found at [victim 1] and that he has seen her using alcohol.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person 6] sometimes did smell alcohol coming from [victim 1] and he once saw ponypacks with her in the period that she stayed at his place, during the summer of 2009.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 4] testified that [victim 1] drank a lot of alcohol and used drugs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Family doctor [involved person 13] testifies that in his record about [victim 1], who was his patient since 2000 until December 2005, the following can be retrieved:&lt;br /&gt;October 25, 2005… Stopped using drugs. Has no counselling. Husband is imprisoned.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a supervised situation&lt;br /&gt;Family doctor [involved person 14] testifies about twenty facts in the system about [victim 1] in the period between December 7, 2005 until November 18, 2009, and declares "to conclude I can tell you that the patient [victim 1] always had somebody with her when she came for consultation."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person 8] testifies that he has been phoned by the husband of [name]. He said that he should stay away from her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4.3.3. [Victim 2]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The court considers it to be lawfully and convincingly proved that the suspect committed various variants of human trafficking regarding [victim 2]. First of all, the court relies on the testimonies of [victim 2]. From these testimonies the following is shown.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2] has met the suspect [suspect] in the summer of 2008. In July 2008 he asked her to marry him. After [suspect] departed to the Netherlands again , he phoned her with the announcement that she had to learn the Dutch language. [Suspect] would send money and [victim 2] enrolled at a school in Tanger. The money for the Dutch lessons was transferred to [victim 2] in the name of [fellow suspect]. At the end of December 2008 [victim 2] had finished the course and she did the exam in Rabat. This examination fee was also paid for her in the name of [fellow suspect]. The course lasted three months in total. She couldn't read and write the Dutch language. In Morocco [victim 2] had been on school for five years. She could read Arabic, but she couldn't write it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] has told to [victim 2] that he submitted an application for a residence permit in name of [fellow suspect]. The marriage would however be in the name of [suspect]. [Suspect] told her that he was afraid that her explication for a residence permit would be declined, because he didn't satisfy the requirement of the minimum wage.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] told to [victim 2] that he had no money to come to Morocco to draw up the marriage certificate. Because [victim 2] wasn't allowed by her father to depart without a marriage certificate, the marriage certificate has been drawn up via mutual mandates.&lt;br /&gt;[Fellow suspect] came from the Netherlands to Morocco to travel to the Netherlands together with [victim 2]. On April 2, 2009 [victim 2] arrived in Belgium together with [fellow suspect] and they were awaited by [suspect].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] told her that he would give her a tour through Europe. He has shown her a club in Houten and he once took her to Amsterdam. After they had been in Amsterdam, he asked her if she could do that work. Since then he brought her to the windows every time, to look. One day he said that he had a Moroccan woman in his service in Utrecht. She worked at the little boats. He told to [victim 2] that the work yielded approximately €1000 per day. Since that moment he forced her to do that work. [Suspect] told her that she had to work, so they could buy a car and build a house in Morocco. He also told her that he had agreed with [fellow suspect] for a lot of money to bring her to the Netherlands and that he had no money to pay [fellow suspect] back. He told her that if he wouldn't pay [fellow suspect], then [fellow suspect] would stop the residence of [victim 2] in the Netherlands. He also threatened to send her back to Morocco if she wouldn't do this work. According to [suspect] the problem was solved if she would work in prostitution for three or four months, so that [fellow suspect] could be paid back.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One day [suspect] took her to Utrecht. He spoke there with people of the office of the little boats. On the day that [victim 2] received her residence pass, on June 9, 2009, [suspect] contacted the boss of the Zandpad. After that he ordered her to go to this boss to let herself be registered. Via a telephone she received instructions from [suspect] how she had to walk and what she had to say to him. On June 11, 2009 [victim 2] started working as a prostitute.&lt;br /&gt;At home [victim 2] was trained for the work. A role-play then took place and [suspect] acted as a client. When [victim 2] burst out laughing, she received many beatings. He learned her the meaning of words like 'blowjob', 'fuck' and 'anal'. He told her in what way she had to sit behind the window. He ordered her to sell herself. When she said that she wouldn't do that, she received beatings.&lt;br /&gt;On her first workday [suspect] gave her instructions. Every day he brought her to work. He dropped her off far away from the place of the work location, because he didn't want to be seen with her by the police.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first week she worked approximately 4 or 5 days. The last three months she worked approximately every day. She worked a different number of hours a day. When there had been many clients, she left earlier. When there had been few clients, then she stayed longer. The goal was to earn €1000 per day. She also had to work when she was menstruating.&lt;br /&gt;The money that [victim 2] earned she gave to [suspect]. He demanded the money from her.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2] has told that [suspect] often maltreated her. Most of the time the maltreatment took place when she didn't earn enough. When he maltreated her, he sometimes snatched her passport. He once grabbed her by the neck and squeezed it. [Suspect] forced her to have sex with him, three or four times a day. When she didn't want that, then he raped her.&lt;br /&gt;At the moments that [victim 2] refused to work, [suspect] phoned to her family and he said that she didn't cook for him, didn't want to listen and didn't want to go to bed with him. He also threatened to phone to her father and to say that she was a whore and that she worked in prostitution. This was the reason for [victim 2] to keep working in prostitution.&lt;br /&gt;Every week [victim 2] received a new telephone from [suspect] and a new card. [Suspect] then also took a new telephone himself. He said that he did that, because otherwise the police could wiretap him. [Suspect] then entered his number into the telephone. There were no other numbers in the telephone. Once during an inspection by the police at the workplace of [victim 2] the telephone was open. [Suspect] was on the phone at that moment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the opinion of the court, the credibility of the story of [victim 2] is supported by the testimony of [victim 1] which has been found credible and which has described similar developments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The court finds supporting evidence in the testimony of the suspect during the session of the court of March 7, 2011:&lt;br /&gt;I have had a relationship with [victim 2]. I married [victim 2] on April 22, 2009. The marriage certificate has been drawn up in Morocco. I received the authorisation to marry.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2] came to the Netherlands as the partner of [fellow suspect]. She came to the Netherlands in the beginning of 2009.&lt;br /&gt;We have lived together on my address, [address] in Houten.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2] has also worked in prostitution. That was in 2009. Halfway 2009 she went working in prostitution. At that moment we already had a relationship.&lt;br /&gt;I had a terrible debt. There were threats to be evicted from home. My female administrator has made an arrangement. That was in the period that [victim 2] was together with me. I paid off the debt with a fixed amount of money per month.&lt;br /&gt;In November 2009 I simply wanted to get rid of [victim 2].&lt;br /&gt;Concerning the Zandpad: I did bring her and pick her up. I've done that. I know that there are cameras. My car is in my own name.&lt;br /&gt;I did drop by sometimes.&lt;br /&gt;I was registered in her telephone as 'liefje' (sweetheart). We phoned often. Once we were on the telephone and then she was visited by the police. She then left the phone opened. With an open line, that has happened once.&lt;br /&gt;It varied how many days per week she worked, up until 5 days per week. Starting from approximately 9.30 hours until 15.00 hours, 16.00 hours or 17.00 hours.&lt;br /&gt;When she was menstruating, she worked every now and then.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Aside from that, the court finds supporting evidence, also for [victim 2]'s testimony where it deviates from what the suspect testifies, in the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Marriage&lt;br /&gt;From the marriage certificate, that has been translated from Arabic, it turns out that a marriage has been celebrated between [suspect] and [victim 2] by way of mutual authorisations. It also turns out from this certificate that the foreign divorce of [suspect] has been confirmed by the court in Assilah on December 3, 2008. The declaration of authorisation of the marriage certificate is dated April 22, 2009.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Authorisation for a temporary residence/residence permit&lt;br /&gt;On January 21, 2009 [fellow suspect] made a request for an authorisation for a temporary residence for [victim 2] at the Immigratie en Naturalisatiedienst (IND = immigration and naturalisation service). On February 26, 2009 [fellow suspect] signed a questionnaire for an authorisation for a temporary residence, with a handwritten explanation concerning their relationship.&lt;br /&gt;On March 23, 2009 [victim 2] has made a request for an authorisation for a temporary residence at the Dutch embassy in Rabat and on the same day a positive decision has been made regarding that.&lt;br /&gt;On May 19, 2009 a residence permit has been granted until April 21, 2010.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Trip to the Netherlands&lt;br /&gt;The witness [fellow suspect] has testified during the session of the court that he made a request for [victim 2] for an authorisation for a temporary residence at the IND, he arranged an airline ticket for her and he accompanied her during the trip from Morocco to the Netherlands. In Belgium they were picked up by [suspect] from the airport.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Living address in the Netherlands&lt;br /&gt;From the data from the municipal basis administration it follows that [victim 2] was registered since April 21, 2009 on the [address] in Oudewater. Since July 9, 2009 [victim 2] was registered on the address [address] in Houten.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Prostitution&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2] has rented boat 140 on the Zandpad in Utrecht starting from June 11, 2009 until November 5, 2009.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Violence&lt;br /&gt;[involved person 15] has testified to the police that around the summer of 2009 a woman came living with the man next door on the [address] in Houten. He remembers very well that in the summer months of 2009 he regularly heard sounds from which he could derive that they had sex. He found it strange that when the neighbour and his girlfriend finished having sex, the neighbour subsequently talked the whole night to her with a raised voice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Money&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] has testified the following - soberly represented. [Victim 2] has said that she didn't go working, that she wouldn't give the money. He wants all the money. [Victim 2] had to work and give the money. [Victim 2] said that she didn't want to work and didn't want to give the money.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The court also believes it is plausible that [victim 2] had to hand over her earned money to the suspect. After all, bringing and keeping [victim 2] in prostitution is logically not a separate goal. Aside from that, this must be viewed in mutual connection with the fact that also regarding [victim 1] it has been proven that she had to hand over her earned money to the suspect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Residence permits&lt;br /&gt;On July 22, 2009 [victim 2] is stopped at the Rondweg in Houten. She has been brought home by the officers, where she cannot show her passport, because she supposedly lost that. [Victim 2] showed her medical insurance card to the officers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Inspection&lt;br /&gt;On June 18, 2009 [victim 2] was inspected at her workplace by the police. During that inspection she was phoned four times on her mobile telephone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On July 15, 2009 [victim 2] was inspected at her workplace by the police. One of the officers sees a telephone lying on the bed and the officer sees that there is an open telephone connection. The telephone connection is broken by the officer. After the officers had left, they saw that [suspect] entered the room of [victim 2].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the telephone of [victim 2] were 2 telephone numbers, including a number stored as 'liefje' (sweetheart). During the inspection by the police on September 24, 2009 her telephone rang three times, and during all three times the word 'liefje' appeared in the display as the name of the person who phoned.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The suspect married [victim 1] when she was still a child. He then brought her to the Netherlands. She didn't speak Dutch and apart from that she was also isolated and vulnerable because of her minimal education and limited development, far away from her own family and acquaintances. The counsel for the defence has itself submitted documents from which it can be derived that furthermore [victim 1] had an unstable personality.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] apparently trusted on it that the suspect - as her partner - would offer her a new future, but she has been betrayed by the suspect in that respect. The suspect's family, in which she was admitted, did not resist or barely resisted the acts of the suspect, they even partly supported him.&lt;br /&gt;The suspect has put [victim 1], when she just had become 18 years old, to work on the Zandpad. To bring and to keep [victim 1] in prostitution, the suspect didn't shy away of any means: he implemented violence and he threatened with violence against herself and the persons she loves and he forced her to use drugs.&lt;br /&gt;By doing that he did make sure that she stayed isolated, so that he could keep her under control and she couldn't or hardly could appeal to social workers for example.&lt;br /&gt;Only when the suspect stayed imprisoned for a long time since August 2005, [victim 1] somewhat succeeded in struggling out of his influence, in any case in such a way, that in 2007 she visited her family in Spain. Later on she even dared to ask, when she was pregnant, to hand over only a part of her earnings.&lt;br /&gt;As happens more often when one of the means of exploitation is an affectionate relationship feigned by the pimp, [victim 1] has returned to the suspect again, more often than she herself could understand. She also partly attributes it to sorcery. Aside from that, she felt that because of the continued existence of her Moroccan marriage with the suspect she was forced to return to him (again and again).&lt;br /&gt;The court can also explain her return to the suspect and to the life that wasn't wished by her, like one of the witnesses has done: "[victim 1]'s work was her life because she didn't have a life beyond that … in some situations you do something because you have no better alternatives".&lt;br /&gt;The court adds to this that the suspect took away the other and earlier life from [victim 1] by bringing her in a situation that estranged her from her family and that made impossible a further life in her country of origin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When [victim 1] withdraws herself from the influence of the suspect, the suspect searches for and finds a new victim in [victim 2].&lt;br /&gt;She is already at the end of her twenties and - also because of that - a lot more independent than [victim 1]. Nevertheless she also lets herself be persuaded by the suspect's wish to marry her and she resigns later on, in the Netherlands, to the exploitation as a prostitute by the suspect, caused by the violence exerted by him, the threats and the other means of exerting pressure.&lt;br /&gt;She also stands alone in a world of which she doesn't know the language and she detests the customs.&lt;br /&gt;Even sharper is the contrast with the suspect, who manipulates the people and authorities, the welfare authorities and the complaints commission of the police, the Moroccan government and the IND, the latter to remove [victim 2] from the Netherlands at the moment that she also releases herself from the suspect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Concerning the immaterial damage, reference is made to a report of the family doctor concerning [victim 2] and a testimony of the social worker of GGZ Breburg. From these documents it turns out that [victim 2] suffered severe psychological damage, which resulted in an attempted suicide.&lt;br /&gt;(The lawyer) A Koopsen has explained during the session of the court that [victim 2] still views suicide as the only solution. She uses an antidepressant, which - in connection with her own safety - is kept safe by the woman next door. She is continuously vigilant and sees no future for herself anymore. The relationship with her parents is heavily disturbed. She lost everything because of this: her country, her family and her faith.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-2010032962784406076?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/2010032962784406076/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=2010032962784406076' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/2010032962784406076'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/2010032962784406076'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/11/two-forced-prostitutes-on-zandpad.html' title='Two forced prostitutes on the Zandpad'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-377940156683739109</id><published>2011-11-13T19:32:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2011-12-15T15:52:37.576+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Kamtchya</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to talk about another case from the rechtspraak.nl-website and I will offer some translations. This case is also known as the Kamtchya case. The file as the LJN-number: BJ2954. You can find the file here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BJ2954"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BJ2954&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This case is also mentioned in the report: Misstanden achter de ramen - Een wetenschappelijk onderzoek naar de slachtoffers van Bulgaarse vrouwenhandelaren, welke in Groningen en Friesland opereren written by Marije Bekker (2010) for the Rijksuniversiteit Groningen. You can find the file here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://rechten.eldoc.ub.rug.nl/FILES/root/2010/missacder/ScriptieMarijeBekker.pdf"&gt;http://rechten.eldoc.ub.rug.nl/FILES/root/2010/missacder/ScriptieMarijeBekker.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What happened took place between 2004 and 2008 in Friesland and Rotterdam. The victims mainly worked as call-girls. But also window brothels pop up. The names of the cities are removed from the testimonies. There are no window brothels in Rotterdam, so probably window brothels in Leeuwarden are meant. There is one pimp, and eigh victims. He has been acquitted of several crimes, related to victim 1, victim 4, victim 7 and victim 8. Sentence: four years? The house of the pimp probably is in Rotterdam, where also the escort activities take place. The pimp is called Nikolai in the report of Marije Bekker. Victim 2 is called Lala. Victim 3 is called Svetlana. Victim 6 is called Emila (here real name seems to be Mihaylova judging from the rechtspraak.nl-file, so the names mentioned by Marije Bekker don't seem to be the genuine names). All the victims are Bulgarian, except for Mila who is from Romania.&lt;br /&gt;By the way: a club is mentioned, but this is not a club, it is a window brothel. The file has many duplicate texts. It is very chaotic. Also, there are introductory lines before the testimonies of the women. I simplified these lines because they are written in a very complicated lawful language.&lt;br /&gt;And what about my conscience? The verdict file has no influence, I'm still as hard as a rock or as cold as ice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are some translations of the verdict:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 2):&lt;br /&gt;I want to report the crime of human trafficking to the police. I come from Bulgaria. I lived with my grandmother in Sofia. I didn't have a father or mother anymore. My grandmother sent me to a shelter in Germany. I met a Turkish girl there. Two days after my arrival she introduced me to a man named (name of suspect). I want to report this (name of suspect) to the police. (Name of suspect) is 32 years old. His real first name is (first name of suspect). Everybody calls him (name of suspect). (Name of suspect) is a Roma, a gypsy, from Bulgaria. He is remarkably thin and he has very short black curly hair. He has a very large number of tattoos. (Name of suspect) wanted me to work for him as a prostitute in Germany. I refused to work for him. That's why he regularly beat me. (Name of suspect) has brought me to the Netherlands. We arrived in (city of residence of suspect). He took me to his house. The house number of that house was (house number). (Name of suspect) has snatched my identity card from me. That evening (name of suspect) took me to (name of bar). (Name of suspect) sat at the bar opposite to me and arranged clients for me. When he had a client for me, then he brought me with his car to the house of his brother-in-law. I had to have sex in there with the clients. The clients paid 300 euro to (name of the suspect) to be allowed to have sex with me for two hours. I received nothing of that money. I believe that in those two days I had more than 15 clients who had sex with me. (Name of suspect) beat me when I was in his house. He beat so hard that I lost consciousness. After that I fled outside.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 2):&lt;br /&gt;At home I was poor. I've only been on school for three years. I don't have parents anymore. I don't know when I was born. I lived with my grandmother, but I also often slept outside. On June the 18th or the 19th in 2007 I departed from Bulgaria to Germany. In Germany (name of suspect) put me under pressure for the whole month. During our third contact (name of suspect) said that he was a pimp and that he wanted me to also work for him. I said to him that I didn't want that. Nevertheless he kept putting pressure on me. He said to me multiple times that I had to accompany him to the Netherlands to work for him. During that time he has beaten me five times, on my neck and on my left upper arm. He threatened to sell me to Albanians. At a certain moment (name of suspect) took me to the Netherlands. I accompanied him because he threatened me very often. He would know how to find me anyway and then beat me. I was afraid of him, because he beat me very hard. In the car (name of suspect) has beaten me multiple times.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 2)&lt;br /&gt;I have worked for (name of suspect) in (place). (Name of suspect) was also in the neighbourhood then. He sat in the room behind my workroom. (Name of suspect) said to me that I had to do what he said or else he would do something bad to my family and especially my grandmother. I have worked five days for (name of suspect).&lt;br /&gt;(Name of suspect) told me in his house in (city of residence of suspect) that I was bought by him. (Name of suspect) then told me that I had to work as a prostitute for (name of suspect) to earn that money back. If I wouldn't work, he would sell me to Albanians. Albanians in fact have been in the house that evening. I then fled to the toilet and locked myself up. The Albanians left and I agreed that I would work for (name of suspect). I have been coerced to do this. I didn't want to, but I had no other choice. (Name of suspect) brought me to the clients and he also picked me up again. The clients paid to (name of suspect). I had to have sex with a client, but I didn't want to. (Name of suspect) became very angry at me and he beat me. After that (victim 5) went to that client for free. The first evening I had as many as 10 or 11 clients. Since the third day I worked in the house of the brother-in-law of (name of suspect). (Name of suspect) brought the clients to that house. That house was locked when I was there. A cousin of (name of suspect), named (name of cousin), was in that house and he kept an eye on me. I had approximately a total number of 10 clients in a day. I worked seven days a week. I simply kept on working when I was menstruating, (victim 5) had bought a sponge for me. That sponge hurt a lot. When the clients started to complain, I was beaten by (name of suspect) and I had to use the sponge. The clients paid in advance to (name of suspect). I have never received anything of it. Shortly after I arrived in (city of residence of the suspect) I was locked up by (name of suspect) for two days in a cellar without food and drink. He then beat me very badly with a belt. That was in the cellar of his own house. There was no bed, there was only waste. Also, I simply had to urinate and defecate there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 2):&lt;br /&gt;(Name of suspect) has called me (work name of victim 2). Everybody knows me as (work name of victim 2). I believe I have worked for slightly more than a month in (place). We slept above the display windows. All the money that we earned, we gave to (name of suspect). That's what every girl did. (Name of suspect) didn't check how many clients I had received, but if I would buy something he would find out anyway and then I would be maltreated. I received 10 euro per day for cigarettes and food. (Name of suspect) paid for staying over the night. Namely, I received money from (name of suspect) to pay the owner of the windows. I had many clients. I earned between 1000 and 1500 euro per day and I worked from 07.00 until 01.00 hours. I worked seven days a week. The clients paid 50 euro per quarter of an hour.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 2):&lt;br /&gt;(Name of suspect) wanted to take my rings off my hands. When this failed, (name of suspect) deliberately burnt me with a cigarette on my wrist. I have worked for two months in (place) and for three or four months in (name of bar).&lt;br /&gt;A report of a wiretapped conversation on January 10, 2008:&lt;br /&gt;NN man (the one who phoned first): "hello (name of suspect), do you have a girl?"&lt;br /&gt;(Name of suspect): "yes"&lt;br /&gt;NN man: "but must it be a new girl?"&lt;br /&gt;(name of suspect): "how many girls do you need?"&lt;br /&gt;NN man: "the client wants her for the whole night"&lt;br /&gt;(name of suspect): "then say to the client that I do want to do (victim 5) for him"&lt;br /&gt;(name of suspect): "where does that man live, does he live far away?"&lt;br /&gt;NN man: "the man is in (place)"&lt;br /&gt;(Name of suspect): "is that the same man to whom you brought (victim 2)? He does want (victim 5)"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 3):&lt;br /&gt;In the summer of 2007 (work name of victim 2) came working in (place). (Work name of victim 2) worked in a room on the opposite of me. (Work name of victim 2) told me that (name of suspect) had bought her in Germany and that she was his second girl. (Work name of victim 2) worked for a couple of days in (place) and then (name of suspect) took her with him again and brought her back again. I was taken by (victim 6) and stepped into the car in which (name of suspect) was sitting. Then (name of suspect) drove to (city of residence of suspect). During that night I ended up in a house. In that house were present (name of suspect), his brother, his sister-in-law, (victim 6), (work name of victim 2) and me. I already knew (victim 5) and (work name of victim 2) from (place). I've seen that (name of suspect) maltreated (victim 5) and (work name of victim 2). (Work name of victim 2), (victim 6) and also (victim 5) worked without a condom. (Name of suspect) wasn't satisfied and (name of suspect) said that both women, (work name of victim 2) as well as (victim 5), earned little money. (Victim 5) and (work name of victim 2) are Gypsy girls. Women must obey to all that the men say. They had to earn money for the man. The girls are afraid of the men. They are very afraid. Especially that they will be avenged as soon as they are in Bulgaria. The men say to them, that as soon as we are home, that they will catch the women, murder them. They just all say that they will take revenge when the women don't comply. The role of the woman in the Gypsy culture is to listen and to carry out. The girls who work for or have worked for (name of suspect), have all been exploited by him. Exploited, maltreated and kidnapped and forced to work in prostitution. When the girls don't want to listen they are sold by (name of suspect). Being sold to Albanians is absolutely terrible. That would mean that the girl has to work for Albanians and has to earn the money back. Otherwise you are being murdered. Albanians are known for their cruelties; they are violent towards the girls. (Work name of victim 2) has fled from the house in (city of residence of suspect) after a quarrel with (name of suspect). (Work name of victim 2) didn't want to work. She then had to surrender her golden rings to (name of suspect). She had six or seven rings. She refused this, after which (name of suspect) pulled the rings off her hand using violence. I could witness this all. I have seen that (victim 5) and (work name of victim 2) were terribly beaten by (name of suspect) and maltreated with a clenched fist in the stomach.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 5) or (victim 3) (?????????????):&lt;br /&gt;After that he took (victim 2) with him to the bedroom and I heard that (name of suspect) started to shout against her and that she shouted back in panic. She came outside while she was crying. You show me tens of&amp;nbsp; photos. I recognise the girl on photo number 11 as (work name of victim 2).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 6):&lt;br /&gt;I heard and only noticed later on that more girls worked for (name of suspect), such as (victim 5) and (work name of victim 2). That was in the house of (name of suspect) in (city of residence of suspect). (Victim 5) and (work name of victim 2) at first also worked as a prostitute in (place). I know that (name of suspect) has threatened multiple women and has lured them. (Name of suspect) is a pimp. He has used and abused multiple women. He took all my earned money from me. He also took the money from other girls.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 6):&lt;br /&gt;I went to work in a bar in (city of residence of suspect). The name of that bar was (name of bar). (Victim 5) and (work name of victim 2) also worked there. (Name of suspect) has abused (victim 3), (victim 5), (work name of victim 2) and myself. (Name of suspect) once said to me that, if I didn't listen to him, he would sell me to Albanians. I have heard that Albanians are terrible people. They force their girls to use drugs and they do the most terrible things with their girls.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 6) Mihaylova:&lt;br /&gt;(Victim 5), (work name of victim 2), (victim 3) and I had to hand over our earned money to (name of suspect). That did happen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 3):&lt;br /&gt;I want to report the crime of human trafficking perpetrated by a man whom I know as (name of suspect) and his girlfriend (victim 6). I am named (victim 3). In Bulgaria I was a member of a poor family. Because there were many children, we were very poor. So I simply had to go away to earn money. In July 2007 I came to the Netherlands. I would be working in prostitution. I wanted to work for myself. I first worked in Brussels. Two nieces had brought me to (place). They arranged the trip. They have helped me to come here. The girls dropped me off at the workplace in (place). They told me that I could stay the night in the display window. After that they went back. I went to work in prostitution in (place). I was left to my own devices and I had to fend for myself. (Victim 6) also worked for (name of suspect). She worked in the (name of club) in the prostitution area in (place). I was taken by (victim 6) and stepped into the car in which (name of suspect) was sitting. Then (name of suspect) drove to (city of residence of suspect). During the night I ended up in a house. In that house were present (name of brother), his brother, his sister-in-law, (victim 6), (work name of the victim 2) and I. When I came in (city of residence of suspect), I knew that something was going to happen to me, something bad. (Name of suspect) said to me that there was a client, a Turk. (Name of suspect) then brought me to that Turk. (Name of suspect) said that I had to work because there was a client. "You have to work for me" said (name of suspect). I was afraid, scared. I didn't want to go. I was afraid that he would maltreat me. We went to a bar. (Name of suspect) brought (victim 5) and me to the bar. The clients were visited at home. I was brought by (name of suspect) to a client if the client made an appointment with (name of suspect). (Name of suspect) received the money from the client.&lt;br /&gt;When I had to work I said to (name of suspect) that I had no condoms. (Name of suspect) said that I just had to do it this way. I received from (victim 5) three condoms and so for the rest I was forced to work without condom. That's what the clients wanted according to (name of suspect).&lt;br /&gt;In (place) I have never worked without a condom, but in (city of residence of suspect) I suddenly was in a very different situation. In (city of residence of suspect) I have worked with a condom for only three times and the rest of the clients without a condom. I have received approximately 5 or 6 clients per day. I have worked a total number of three days for him and I have earned 700 euro in total. I have received nothing myself of that money. In the bar I was always together with (name of suspect).&lt;br /&gt;(Name of suspect) was always in my neighbourhood, both at home and in the bar. Also, he always brought me to the clients and picked me up again. The clients paid to (name of suspect). (Name of suspect) made the appointment with the client, he brought me and then the clients paid immediately. (Name of suspect) has intimidated me with the fact that he would sell me if I didn't listen. I could hear that he had a telephone conversation with a man to sell me. He said that he had a beautiful blonde girl for sale and I knew then that (name of suspect) meant me, because I was the only blonde girl he had. After the telephone conversation I heard from (name of suspect) that he had sold me and that the man was underway to pick me up. I started to cry and I was gasping for air. Luckily that man didn't show up and that evening I simply went to work at the command of (name of suspect). Being sold to Albanians is absolutely terrible. That would mean that the girl has to work for Albanians and has to earn the money back. Otherwise you are being murdered. Albanians are known for their cruelties; they are violent towards the girls. I report (name of suspect) to the police. (Name of suspect) has forced me to work in prostitution and actually without a condom. Besides, he has threatened and exploited me. I wasn't left with any money from the work that I had to do for him. I was kidnapped by (name of suspect) to (city of residence of suspect) and was locked up in his house. He supervised all the movements I made. I wasn't allowed to go anywhere without him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 3):&lt;br /&gt;I was invited by (victim 6) to drink coffee. We then stepped into the car in which (name of suspect) was sitting. Before I knew it we had driven out of the city. I felt that I was kidnapped. I had no way to go. I begged (victim 6) to let me step out of the car, but she didn't do anything for me. I recognised (name of suspect) as the pimp of (victim 5) and in the meantime I knew his violent reputation. After arriving in (city of residence of suspect) (name of suspect) said to me that I had to work for him. (Victim 5), (victim 6) and I were brought by (name of suspect) to a bar in (city of residence of suspect). I was constantly supervised and I had no way to go. (Name of suspect) arranged the clients by telephone or in the bar and he brought me to the fuck-place. Most of the time the fuck-places were in the houses of the clients. He brought me to the clients and also picked me up there again. The clients paid to (name of suspect).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 3):&lt;br /&gt;I have seen that (victim 5) was beaten by (name of suspect).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 6):&lt;br /&gt;At a certain moment another girl from (place) came to (city of residence of suspect). Her name is (victim 3). (Name of suspect) asked me if I wanted to invite (victim 3) to drink coffee. I then went to (victim 3) and I have asked it to (victim 3). (Victim 3) did want it. When we arrived at (name of suspect)'s place, this drinking of coffee turned out to be in (city of residence of suspect).&lt;br /&gt;Then (victim 3) and I went together with (name of suspect) and another boy to (city of residence of suspect). (Victim 3) didn't want to accompany us to (city of residence of suspect) and she started to scream. She became angry at (name of suspect). She didn't want to work there. She indicated in the car that she didn't want to accompany us.&lt;br /&gt;I got the impression that (victim 3) was afraid. In (city of residence of suspect) we went to the house of (name of suspect). His brother and his wife and two other friends of (name of suspect) were present there. (Name of suspect) told that same evening to (victim 3) that she had to work as a prostitute in (name of bar). She has worked there together with (victim 5), (work name of victim 2) and myself.&lt;br /&gt;I believe that (victim 3) has worked there for 3 days. After that I heard from (name of suspect) that he had brought her back to (place). (Name of suspect) has abused (victim 3), (victim 5), (work name of victim 2) and myself.&lt;br /&gt;(Name of suspect) had discussed with me in advance what he intended to do with (victim 3). He only wanted that I let her know that (name of suspect) wanted to drink coffee with her.&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of several police sergeants/detectives of the regional police Fryslân, working at the Mensenhandel Interventie Team (human trafficking intervention team):&lt;br /&gt;Around November 2008 I, officer (officer), received a report by telephone of the female manager of "(name of club)", (name of female manager). She then notified that the Bulgarian girl of room 23 did a moonlight flit a day before leaving all her belongings behind, including her gsm (mobile telephone). According to the female manager she left together with another Bulgarian girl and possibly in the direction of (city of residence of suspect). The female manager notified furthermore, that it wasn't unusual that a girl left for a couple of days, but that most of the time this was notified to her. In this case she knew nothing about it and while collecting the rent it turned out that the lights in the room were still burning and also the TV was still switched on. The personalia of that particular girl were passed on by the female manager. It turned out to be (victim 3), born on (date of birth) in Bulgaria. Several days later I, officer (officer), was again approached by telephone by the female manager (name of female manager) with the announcement that (victim 3) had returned and that indeed she had been in (city of residence of suspect) a couple of days.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 5):&lt;br /&gt;I know (name of suspect) from Bulgaria. In January 2007 I fled with (name of suspect) to the Netherlands. I fled out of sheer necessity, because my husband didn't want to work and this way I was forced to work. I knew beforehand that I would be working as a prostitute in the Netherlands. In the Netherlands I have worked in prostitution in (city of residence of suspect) and in (place). (Name of suspect) sold my body to clients. He was my pimp. A pimp is a person who sells girls to clients. I resided in the house of (name of suspect). He maltreated me because I didn't want to work. I found the work disgusting. When I had problems with clients, he brought me back home and beat me up again. When I didn't want to be with a client, then (name of suspect) slapped me with the flat of his hand. Once (name of suspect) stabbed me with a knife, because I had stomachache and couldn't do the work with the client and that's why the client asked his money back. As a result of this he stabbed me with a knife in my right thighbone when I arrived home. I often had sex against my will with (name of suspect). If I didn't want that, he would beat me. With the fists, with the belt, on my body, on my back. In (place) I worked as a prostitute in a house. In that house also a prostitute worked. Her name is (victim 3). (Victim 3) works for herself. I wasn't allowed to mix with (victim 3) by (name of suspect). He prohibited that, so that I wouldn't stop to work for him. I wanted to go back to Bulgaria because he maltreated me. I said to him that I wanted to go back to Bulgaria to see my children. I couldn't go back. I knew nothing about the buses and he had friends with buses. I couldn't organise the trip myself. I didn't go to the police out of fear. Then they would apprehend him and release him again. If he would come home then, he would beat me up again. For one hour the client had to pay 50 euro. (Name of suspect) received the money of the clients.&lt;br /&gt;He took my money away from me. I had four or five clients a day. I worked every day. When I was menstruating, I also worked. I had no choice, but if I could choose myself, I wouldn't work when I was menstruating. Per month he sent 50 euro to my family in Bulgaria. When I came back in Bulgaria, I had 200 euro. That amount of money was for 4 months. I didn't report the crime to the police. Not in the Netherlands and also not in Bulgaria. I was afraid of (name of suspect). He threatened that he would kidnap my child. I worked out of fear for him. That fear comes from the many times that I was beaten up and the many threats. He threatened to beat me up. I became pregnant of a client and I let myself be aborted in Bulgaria.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 2):&lt;br /&gt;(Victim 5) resided in the house of (name of suspect) in (city of residence of suspect). I have seen that (name of suspect) beat (victim 5). I have seen that as often as 3, 4 or 5 times. He beat her in a very mean way. He beat her very hard and then she became unwell and then (name of suspect) threw water over her. I have seen that she had a swollen upper lip and a bruise on her cheek. Once he also stabbed her with a knife in her upper leg. She has scars on her whole body.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 2):&lt;br /&gt;(Victim 5) and (victim 6) has also worked in (place). We all slept on the second floor. All the money that we earned we handed over to (name of suspect).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 1):&lt;br /&gt;I can declare to you that (victim 5) has been maltreated a number of times by (name of suspect). She was locked up by him and then she was threatened with death. I have also seen that (victim 5) was beaten and/or maltreated by (name of suspect).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 1):&lt;br /&gt;I was present there several times when (name of suspect) beat (victim 5). Once I also snatched a knife out of his hands when he wanted to stab (victim 5) with this knife. While doing that he made a stabbing movement towards (victim 5).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 3):&lt;br /&gt;I went to work in prostitution in (place). (Victim 5) worked in the room next to mine. (Name of suspect) has visited (victim 5) approximately 4 times. I could follow the conversations between them. It was always about money, how much money had been earned and there were screams. I found (victim 5) pitiful because she was very scared of (name of suspect). After (name of suspect) visited (victim 5), I wanted to exchange money with her for a client, but (victim 5) had no money at all. That could only mean that he took her money from her.&lt;br /&gt;When (name of suspect) didn't come by, I could always exchange money. (Name of suspect) has personally warned (victim 5) not to visit me. He knew that I worked for myself and she wasn't allowed by him to have contact with me. (Name of suspect) brought (victim 5) and me to the bar. The clients were visited at home. (Work name of victim 2), (victim 6) and also (victim 5) worked without a condom. I have seen that (name of suspect) maltreated (victim 5) and (work name of victim 2). (Name of suspect) beat (victim 5), he maltreated her because of the work. (Name of suspect) wasn't satisfied and (name of suspect) said that both, (work name of victim 2) and (victim 5), earned little money. (Victim 5) and (work name of victim 2) are Gypsy girls. The women must obey to all that the men say. They had to earn money for the man.&lt;br /&gt;The girls are afraid of the men. They are trained like that. They are very afraid. Especially that they will be avenged as soon as they are in Bulgaria.&lt;br /&gt;The men say to them, that as soon as we are home, that they will catch the women, murder them. They just all say that they will take revenge when the women don't comply. The role of the woman in the Gypsy culture is to listen and to carry out. The girls who work for or have worked for (name of suspect), have all been exploited by him. Exploited, maltreated and kidnapped and forced to work in prostitution. When the girls don't want to listen they are sold by (name of suspect). (Name of suspect) has intimidated me with the fact that he would sell me if I wouldn't listen. I could hear that he had a conversation by telephone with a man to sell me. Being sold to Albanians is absolutely terrible. That would mean that the girl has to work for Albanians and has to earn the money back. Otherwise you are being murdered. Albanians are known for their cruelties; they are violent towards the girls.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 6):&lt;br /&gt;I heard that more girls worked for (name of suspect), such as (victim 5) and (work name of victim 2). That was in the house of (name of suspect) in (city of residence of suspect). (Victim 5) and (work name of victim 2) also worked in (place). They worked in (name of club).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 6):&lt;br /&gt;(Victim 5) and (work name of victim 2) also worked for (name of suspect) in (city of residence of suspect) in (name of bar). (Victim 5) worked without a condom. She already did this in (place). The clients wanted that and she did that. I have heard that Albanians are the most terrible people. They force their girls to use drugs and they do the most terrible things with their girls.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 6):&lt;br /&gt;I didn't follow school. In total I have spent one day on school. I can't read, write or calculate. I've never learned that. In the summer of 2007 I came to work in (place). I have worked there until approximately the autumn of 2007. I got to&amp;nbsp;know (name of suspect) in (place). He regularly came to me at my work in (place). He was friendly. I believed that he wanted a relationship with me and that he wanted me as a wife.&lt;br /&gt;At first (name of suspect) said that he loved me and that he felt a lot for me. At that moment I believed it was real love. After a month he said he loved me. I accompanied him to (city of residence of suspect). I did know that there were girls in (place) who worked for a pimp, but I didn't know it was (name of suspect). I have also worked for (name of suspect) in (city of residence of suspect). (Name of suspect) asked if I wanted to work for him and to prevent quarrels, I just worked for him then. I went to work for (name of suspect) in a bar, (name of bar). (Name of suspect) arranged the telephone calls and I went to a client. (Name of suspect) has abused (victim 3), (victim 5), (work name of victim 2) and myself. &lt;br /&gt;(Name of suspect) once said to me that, if I didn't listen to him, he would sell me to Albanians. I have heard that Albanians are terrible people. They force their girls to use drugs and they do the most terrible things with their girls. It is generally known to the girls that Albanians are very bad people, whom you should be afraid of. (Name of suspect) beat me once.&lt;br /&gt;I was forced by (name of suspect) to be available for 24 hours a day to work. I also worked when I was menstruating. If I would have worked independently, I wouldn't have done that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 6):&lt;br /&gt;The money I earned in (place) before I got to&amp;nbsp;know (name of suspect), was completely for myself. The money I earned in (city of residence of suspect), went completely to (name of suspect). I was afraid of (name of suspect). I was the one who worked and brought in money. He didn't work and he brought in nothing. (Name of suspect) simply was my pimp.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 2):&lt;br /&gt;In (name of bar) in (city of residence of suspect) two other girls work for (name of suspect), namely (victim 5) and (victim 6). (Victim 6) worked in a brothel where (name of suspect) has kidnapped her. (Victim 6) and (victim 5) go to the house of the brother-in-law of (name of suspect) with their clients to have sex there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 2):&lt;br /&gt;In approximately November 2007 (name of suspect) has picked (victim 6) up from (place) and brought her to (city of residence of suspect). From that time on (victim 6) went working in (city of residence of suspect).&lt;br /&gt;(Name of suspect) has said to me that he was going to (place) to get a new girl. I do know that (victim 6) didn't want to come to (city of residence of suspect). I know that (name of suspect) has made a lot of effort for her. (Victim 6) also worked in (name of bar). All the money that (victim 6) earned, went to (name of suspect). I mean really everything. He did pay some cheap clothing and make-up, but aside of that the girls received nothing. He bought expensive things for himself. At first I worked in (place) as a prostitute. (Victim 5) and (victim 6) then also worked there. All the money that we earned, we gave to (name of suspect). I collected the money of the whole day. That's what every girl did.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Testimony of (victim 3):&lt;br /&gt;I got to&amp;nbsp;know (victim 6) in October 2007 in (place). She worked there as a prostitute. (Victim 6) also worked for (name of suspect). (Victim 6) later worked for (name of suspect) in (city of residence of suspect). We work in (name of bar). All girls worked in (city of residence of suspect) without a condom. (Victim 6) also worked without a condom.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A testimony of Petra in the report of Marije Bekker:&lt;br /&gt;I never received any cash money from Nikolai. I received food and a place to live from him. I once received a little golden ring from him, worth 40 euro. I have seen another ring however which was much more beautiful, but cost 60 euro. I didn't get this one because it was too expensive. A short while later we went to a goldsmith where he bought a heavy golden ring for himself. During Christmas I received a banknote of a hundred euro from him. I had to buy a present of this money for him, a golden ring among other things. That's what I did then.&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;Nikolai has maltreated me badly; he pulled my hair, pressed out cigarettes on my legs, kicked me everywhere and pounded in my kidneys. When I lay down on the floor to protect myself, he went standing with his shoes on my bare toes. I was also abused by him. The violence became worse and worse. When, for example, I didn't clean the washbasin properly enough, he already beat me. When he beat me, he just kept on beating. Once he had to go to Belgium. Then I felt like a queen. When I received a telephone call from him a short while later, the fear started again. I then started to clean and I finished all little corners. After that I sat down while I was trembling and I thought about what I would say if something wasn't good.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The report of Marije Bekker further explains:&lt;br /&gt;About possible reprisals she explains that Nikolai said that he would be able to find her in Bulgaria. He threatened that he would pick up her mother and would let her mother work in prostitution. He also phoned to her mother; he has said to her that he would stab her because Petra was supposed to owe him 4000 euro.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A testimony of Lala in the report of Marije Bekker:&lt;br /&gt;Once he became so angry that he beat me terribly with a belt and he locked me up for two days in the cellar of his house, without food and drink. In the cellar there was no bed and there was only waste there. I also had to urinate and defecate there. I was there for two days while nobody came looking. I could see through the little window that two days had gone by. I didn't shout for help when I was locked up, that didn't cross my mind. He has beaten me so often that I didn't shout for help anymore. It only became worse. Once he wanted to snatch the rings off my hands. When this didn't work, because I kept my fists clenched, he burnt me with a cigarette on my wrists and hit me hard on my back. Despite the fact that I felt a lot of pain, I quickly removed the rings from my fingers and put them in my mouth. He tried to take the rings out of my mouth by deliberately squeezing in my cheeks with a lot of force. Because of this squeezing I got two open spots on my cheeks. Furthermore Nikolai beat me every day because I didn't want to accompany clients.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The report of Marije Bekker further explains:&lt;br /&gt;Lala from the Kamtchya investigation tells that once she resided in a shelter in Germany. Around this house many pimps roamed around who constantly asked her to work in prostitution. She didn't want to do this. She met a girl here who introduced her to Nikolai. Lala believes that this girl sold her to him. Nikolai has forced her to accompany him in the car. He has beaten her in her neck which caused her to be unconscious for a couple of hours during the trip to the Netherlands. After arriving in the Netherlands, he first raped her two times before he offered her to other men.&lt;br /&gt;The other kidnap took place by the same perpetrator, helped by his girlfriend ('first girl'). Svetlana worked independently as a prostitute in Leeuwarden. There she got to&amp;nbsp;know the girlfriend of Nikolai, Emila. At one moment she was invited by her to drink coffee somewhere. They then stepped into the car in which Nikolai was sitting, after which she was kidnapped to Rotterdam. 'By looking at Emila it was clear that she had fulfilled her role; she received money for this in the car. I begged her to let me out, but she did nothing for me. After arriving in Rotterdam Nikolai said that I had to work for him.'&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;Emila from the Kamtchya is an example of this. She helped the perpetrator by keeping an eye on the other women and helped him with the kidnapping of one victim from Leeuwarden to Rotterdam. As an illustration, a segment of a testimony from this investigation: 'Emila is a pimp. She collected the money of the other girls and gave the money to Nikolai, the suspect that was found guilty of human trafficking by the court. Doesn't that mean that she is also a pimp herself? '&lt;br /&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;In another investigation the female manager of a brothel offered the victims and perpetrators a place to live in her own house. (In the Kamtchya investigation)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-377940156683739109?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/377940156683739109/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=377940156683739109' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/377940156683739109'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/377940156683739109'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/11/main-i-want-to-talk-about-another-case.html' title='Kamtchya'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-7063061437615422079</id><published>2011-11-07T18:31:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2011-12-15T15:59:36.063+01:00</updated><title type='text'>A forced prostitute on the Zandpad</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay, let's start all over again. Prostitutes are slaves. And all clients are rapists. I won't rape women anymore.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Granted, last Friday I visited a prostitute again. This time I was more careful. The woman I chose works voluntarily in prostitution, that was assured by another client I know. But the night after that I had a nightmare that she was forced by her boyfriend, named 'Selim' in my dreams. That is strange, because I didn't have any bad feelings at all when I visited the young Eastern European prostitutes whom I believe are almost certainly victims of human trafficking. No nightmares, no bad dreams, only confusion: why am I doing this? Years ago, it didn't even cross my mind to visit an Eastern European prostitute, whom I consider 90% to be coerced to work in prostitution. I don't understand myself. There is a pattern now. I solemnly swear again and again that I won't visit a prostitute again, and a month later I still do it anyway. I don't have a strong will, what do I really want? I must search for a new battle plan.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, I'll continue again with a verdict file from rechtspraak.nl. It has the LJN number: BG6613. Here's the link to the file:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BG6613"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BG6613&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the file the "Z in U" is mentioned. In all likelihood they mean the Zandpad in Utrecht. What is described in this file happened between July 30, 2006 and August 15, 2006.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here is a translated part, with some adjustments to make it more readable:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;During the time that the suspect and his fellow suspect got to&amp;nbsp;know the victim, she had many problems, also financial problems. As a single mother she had to take care of her son aged six and she had huge debts. The mother of victim also testified about the problems of her daughter. Her daughter was crying at her mother's home because of all the many debts and she said she couldn't take it anymore. Because of the arrears of rent the victim was in danger of being expelled from her home. The suspect knew that she had debts. He testified that himself, while she also testified about that. Also the fellow suspect knew about the problems of the victim. Furthermore the victim has testified extensively about the development and the content of the conversations with the suspect and the fellow suspect after the first time they met. The suspect said that a solution would come for the debts.&lt;br /&gt;The fellow suspect then came with the idea of prostitution and he said that she could quickly earn the most with that. Initially she indicated that she didn't want to work in prostitution. The fellow suspect then repeatedly tried to persuade her. He sat on his knees in front of her and he said that she could earn €10,000 in a week. The suspect and the fellow suspect would stay with her the whole night to protect her. When the fellow suspect spoke about prostitution, the suspect was also present there. The victim's then indicated that she wanted to talk about it with her mother.&lt;br /&gt;The fellow suspect didn't want to go to her mother with her, but eventually he did accompany her to her mother. He then spoke with her mother and said among other things that it was only for a week, that 50% of the earnings would be for the victim and that he would pay the rent of the room.&lt;br /&gt;After the conversation between the fellow suspect, the victim and her mother, the suspect together with the fellow suspect and the victim drove to the Zandpad in Utrecht (where she would work in prostitution). The fellow suspect and the suspect indicated to her how she had to drive. The money for the rent of the room (€500) was paid by the fellow suspect and the suspect. Afterwards she drove with the suspect and the fellow suspect to R, where she bought a wig with the money of the fellow suspect. She would wear the wig during her work on the Zandpad. The fellow suspect explained which amounts of money she had to offer to the clients and he said to her that she had to let the clients have an orgasm as quickly as possible. The fellow suspect and the suspect were constantly present in the neighbourhood during the days she was working there. Again and again the suspect walked into her room and asked her for the money that she earned. She then gave the money to the suspect. This way the earnings of the first night were completely handed over to the suspect and the fellow suspect. The suspect came to collect the money again and again. He walked around the most to guard her. Also during the second day the suspect and the fellow suspect drove with her to the Zandpad. That day the money turned out to be stolen. The suspect then became very angry. He said to her that she didn't have to try that on him again. He would kill her if she would do it again. The fellow suspect searched the whole workroom for the money. The fellow suspect and the suspect started to curse and to threaten her. The €100 that she did have, she gave to the fellow suspect. The evening after that she earned €600, of which she got €100 back. The Monday after that the fellow suspect drove in front of her to Utrecht (the court understands: to the workplace on the Zandpad ). The suspect wasn't present then. The fellow suspect picked him up a short while later. That night the suspect entered the room and asked for the money. After the victim said that she would take care of the money herself, the suspect went away and a short while later the fellow suspect came in and he demanded the money. He said that she had to keep to the agreements and that she knew what was going to happen if she wouldn't keep to the agreement. She was warned everyday by the fellow suspect that she had to keep to the agreements. The fellow suspect put the money in his own pocket. The mother of the victim testified that the victim phoned to her the first evening while crying, and the victim said that she couldn't do the work, that the two boys (the court understands: the suspect and the fellow suspect) stood before the door and that the boys said to her that she had to earn money for them. The boys also entered her room constantly. They also grabbed her car keys. After that first night the victim came to her mother's home and she said that the money, except for €20, was snatched from her by those boys. The victim said that she wanted to stop with the work, but she couldn't do it because the fellow suspect had paid €500. The victim, according to her mother, also wanted that €1000, because she needed the money. In the period that she worked as a prostitute, she came more often at the end of the day to eat at her mother's place. She was constantly phoned then. The victim said that the suspect didn't leave her alone.&lt;br /&gt;Furthermore the victim told her mother that at a certain moment she didn't want to give money anymore to the fellow suspect. The suspect then said that she had to give the money anyway to the fellow suspect, because otherwise the fellow suspect would kill her.&lt;br /&gt;The victim, according to her mother, was afraid for the fellow suspect and the suspect. The victim also said that the suspect was the errand boy of the fellow suspect. The suspect himself testified before the court that after the robbery of the victim he went to her to collect the money. She then just gave him the money. He suspected that she didn't want to keep to her agreements anymore and he didn't trust her anymore for the full 100 percent. The fellow suspect testified that he and the suspect would get half of the victim's earnings as a prostitute.&lt;br /&gt;He and the suspect would guard her and they would receive half of the money during the six days that the victim would be working. He testifies furthermore that the victim earned €600 the third day and that he received €500 from that. The day after that she again earned €600 and he received €500.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-7063061437615422079?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/7063061437615422079/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=7063061437615422079' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/7063061437615422079'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/7063061437615422079'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/11/forced-prostitute-on-zandpad.html' title='A forced prostitute on the Zandpad'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-3282045648304822757</id><published>2011-11-03T21:43:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2011-11-03T21:43:57.086+01:00</updated><title type='text'>And another pooierboy from Purmerend</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now another suspect in the case about the pooierboys from Purmerend. It's on the rechtspraak.nl-website. The case of this suspect has the LJN number: BR2782. You can find it here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BR2782"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BR2782&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are some translated bits:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In August 2009 [victim 1] (born on January 29, 1991) came to live on the [avenue] in Purmerend. Before that she lived with her father in Zoetermeer. Because of a quarrel with her parents and because of debts with a telephone company, she wanted to leave home and she was searching for another place to live. Via internet she came into contact with a boy, named [fellow suspect 1], who proposed to her that she could live with him on the address that was mentioned earlier. [Victim 1] agreed with that proposal.&lt;br /&gt;In the house on the [avenue] [victim 1] stayed together with [fellow suspect 1], his friend [fellow suspect 2] and the half-brother of [fellow suspect 2] named [fellow suspect 3]. Furthermore the girlfriends of [fellow suspect 2] and [fellow suspect 3] stayed in that house, namely [victim 2] and [victim 3].&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] was forced by [fellow suspect 1] and [fellow suspect 2] to work in the sex industry, both in window prostitution as well as in the escort service. [Victim 1] didn't want to do this work herself, but because she was beaten and threatened by [fellow suspect 1], she did this work anyway. [Victim 1] wanted to leave from the [avenue], but she was afraid to run away for real.&lt;br /&gt;In the house on the [avenue] [victim 1] met the suspect at one moment. The suspect knows [fellow suspect 1], [fellow suspect 2] and [fellow suspect 3] from the past and visited the house sometimes. [Victim 1] and the suspect have talked in the house with each other several times. [Victim 1] told the suspect who she was and where she came from. The suspect knew that she was named [first name of victim 1], that she was 18 years old, that she ran away from home and that she had telephone debts. The suspect also knew that [victim 1] worked in prostitution and that she stood behind the window in Haarlem.&lt;br /&gt;The suspect saw bruises on the body of [victim 1] in the house on the [avenue]. He then asked her if perhaps this was done by [fellow suspect 1]. [Victim 1] acknowledged this. Then the suspect said to her: "what I've heard, you are a little whore and you have worked once?" [Victim 1] then said to the suspect that he had to leave. The suspect didn't do it. The suspect pulled [victim 1] to the bathroom, where he started to kiss her and tried to undress her. There were bangs on the door. [Fellow suspect 1] said that the door had to be opened, after which the suspect opened the door. [Fellow suspect 1] said that the suspect had to pay, because [victim 1] was his whore. [Fellow suspect 1] said to [victim 1] that she was a little cancer whore. [Fellow suspect 1] then tried to beat her, but the suspect prevented this. The sex in the bathroom never occurred after that, although the suspect did try it. [Victim 1] and the suspect both walked out of the house. Outside, in the neighbourhood of a forest/park in Purmerend, sex did occur between the suspect and [victim 1]. The suspect said that [victim 1] had to take off her pants. [Victim 1] indicated that she didn't want that, and that she didn't want to do it outside. The suspect said that she had nothing to want. The suspect turned her around, pushed her over a balk and fucked her "doggystyle". When the suspect was ready, he and [victim 1] went back to the house on the [avenue]. There a discussion started between [fellow suspect 1] and the suspect; the suspect wanted to take [victim 1] with him, but [fellow suspect 1] wanted to see money first. [Fellow suspect 1] wanted the suspect to pay money for [victim 1]. [Victim 1] stayed behind that evening on the [avenue].&lt;br /&gt;A couple of days later the suspect took [victim 1] with him from the house on the [avenue] and accommodated her in the house of [involved person] on the [street] in Purmerend. [Victim 1] didn't want to stay on the [avenue], but she also didn't want to accompany the suspect. [Victim 2] has testified about this that she heard [fellow suspect 1] saying, that he let that "sma" (street language for "girl") (the court understands: [victim 1]) go and that the suspect took her with him.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] lived together with the suspect and [involved person] in the house on the [street]. [Fellow suspect 4] was a regular visitor there. [Victim 1] lived a couple of weeks in total on the [street]. [Victim 1] didn't have an own key of the house at her disposal.&lt;br /&gt;A short while after her arrival in the house on the [street] [victim 1] went with the suspect to "De Wallen" in Amsterdam. On August 17, 2010 (comment by Donkey: don't they mean 2009?) [victim 1] and the suspect have been spotted by the police in the prostitution area of Amsterdam. [Victim 1] was searching for a room then. According to the suspect this was the first time that he went with [victim 1] to Amsterdam regarding working in prostitution. The suspect said to [victim 1] that his money was running out and that she had to work again. [Victim 1] said to him that she didn't want that. The suspect then said that [victim 1] should know all kinds of things he didn't want. "With [first name of the suspect] I dared even less than with [first name of fellow suspect 1]. [First name of the suspect] slapped less often, but his blows hit harder", says [victim 1]. After [victim 1] said that she didn't want to, the suspect took a pistol and placed it on the forehead of [victim 1]. He said to her that she would regret that if she would run away and that he would find her and that he would break her. The suspect also said that he doesn't care shit about anything at all and that he had been imprisoned and apprehended so many times that [victim 1] could yet also come on his list of people that he killed. This was the first time that [victim 1] had seen a pistol and she was terribly afraid. Later on the suspect did this more often. The suspect regularly held a pistol against her head and he also beat her with a pistol. [Fellow suspect 4] has seen the suspect waving with a weapon once, according to him with a pistol, in the house on the [street] in Purmerend. That was in the presence of [victim 1]. [Fellow suspect 4] was terribly shocked and took this very seriously.&lt;br /&gt;Subsequently [victim 1] went working in prostitution again. She worked the whole night. After that she went sleeping. She slept a lot during daytime and when she woke up, there was always somebody present in the house. [Victim 1] wasn't allowed to go outside alone, that was what the suspect told her. Above all, [victim 1] had the impression that [involved person] was supervising her. [Involved person] had the keys of the house and when she, [victim 1], said something to [involved person], she passed it on to the suspect.&lt;br /&gt;When [victim 1] stayed in the house on the [street], she dared even less, like is said before, than when she stayed in the house on the [avenue]. The suspect slapped and kicked her, scolded her, threatened her and her family, and he was a real bogeyman, says [victim 1]. [Involved person] has seen bruises on the body of [victim 1], in the shape of hand imprints, on her arms and upper arms. [Victim 1] was afraid of the suspect.&lt;br /&gt;The worst maltreatment by the suspect took place on the evening that the suspect, [fellow suspect 4], [involved person] and a colleague of [involved person], [female friend of involved person], were present in the house, and the suspect and [involved person] had sex in the living room. [Victim 1] then asked [fellow suspect 4], if she could lend a mobile phone. That was allowed. [Victim 1] went upstairs with the telephone to phone her father there, but that didn't succeed, because the suspect stopped her. The suspect slapped and kicked [victim 1]; he almost couldn't stop with it. He said that [victim 1] should never try this again, because otherwise he would shoot her through her head.&lt;br /&gt;According to [fellow suspect 4] the suspect once snatched the telephone of [victim 1] from her. The suspect did this, because in his opinion [victim 1] wasn't allowed to phone. It occurred multiple times that [victim 1] asked the suspect if she was allowed to phone, but the suspect wasn't okay with it.&lt;br /&gt;In the period that she stayed on the [street] [victim 1] has worked in window prostitution in Amsterdam for a couple of weeks. The suspect said to her how she could find a room. He directed her attention to the telephone numbers on the outer walls. In addition to this, the suspect gave her money multiple times for the rent of the room. The suspect asked [victim 1] during work how things were going and how much she earned. [Victim 1] had to earn a certain amount of money per day. When she earned less, the suspect beat her. The height of the amount of money depended on the mood of the suspect. [Victim 1] was terribly afraid that she wouldn't earn enough and therefore accepted everything, even clients without condom. The suspect dropped by every hour or half an hour to collect the money earned by [victim 1] until then. She was forced to give the money to him. The suspect also kept a constant eye on [victim 1], together with other boys. They stood opposite the workroom of [victim 1]. The suspect counted the clients of [victim 1] and inspected her for the presence of money, because he was afraid that she hid money. [Involved person] knew that [victim 1] gave the money to the suspect. [Involved person] has often heard the suspect say to [victim 1] that she had to give him the money. [Involved person] has also seen [victim 1] emptying her pockets and bag by order of the suspect. The suspect once said to [victim 1] that if she would earn 6000 euro within six or seven days, she was allowed to go away. When she did achieve that, he said however: "you really don't think that I'll let you go?".&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] was brought and collected with the car by the suspect and [fellow suspect 4] from and to the workplace in Amsterdam. Also [fellow suspect 4] scolded [victim 1] sometimes. [Fellow suspect 4] also said it when [victim 1] did something wrong, when for example she gave the money too conspicuously or when her posture was too uncertain.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] once ran away during work on "De Wallen" in Amsterdam. The suspect, who stood on the opposite side of the workroom of [victim 1], didn't pay attention for a short while and then [victim 1] saw an opportunity to quickly run away in the direction of the Centraal Station, where she entered a train. After that she roamed around in Diemen for a short while. In the end she ended up at an old friend in Amsterdam, named [friend of victim 1]. Then the suspect phoned [victim 1] repeatedly to offer his apologies. When [victim 1] said that he could better get cancer, the suspect started to threaten. He said that [victim 1] had to come back, because otherwise he would kill her father. If [victim 1] would go to the police, then he had enough friends to kill her whole family. [Victim 1] was really afraid that the suspect would do something to her family and therefore made an appointment with him to meet on the Mercatorplein in Amsterdam. The suspect, [fellow suspect 1] and [fellow suspect 2] picked [victim 1] up there. On the Mercatorplein the suspect slapped [victim 1] and grabbed her by the throat and he said to her, that she had to step into the car and that they would go home. The suspect collected the belongings of [victim 1] at the place of [friend of victim 1], after which they drove to the house on the [street] in Purmerend. The suspect went completely berserk there; he kicked several things to pieces and gave [victim 1] a punch in the face. There was a terrible quarrel. [Fellow suspect 4] heard from the suspect that [victim 1] had left. The suspect was worked up and said to [fellow suspect 4] that he was going to search for her, what he did indeed.&lt;br /&gt;Aside from the earlier mentioned activities in window prostitution [victim 1] subsequently has performed a number of escort (callgirl) activities. [Victim 1] has been three times at [escort]. That was "the escort address of [first name of the suspect]". [Involved person] had arranged this, but that was ordered by the suspect; the idea came from him. [Fellow suspect 4] was also informed about this escort work. [Escort] paid [involved person] fifty euro for an hour. [Involved person] gave that money to the suspect. The suspect arranged how [victim 1] came on the address of [escort] - [address] in Purmerend. The last time the suspect brought her.&lt;br /&gt;[Involved person] has helped [victim 1] with her workclothes and her make-up. That's what [involved person] did prior to an escort appointment with [escort]. [Involved person] fetched tampons once for [victim 1] when she was menstruating. [Victim 1] had to keep on working also when she was menstruating.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] has subsequently worked a couple of evenings/nights - at least the evenings/nights of August 22/23 and 26/27, 2009 - as a prostitute in Club Baccara in Zaandam. The suspect and [fellow suspect 4] brought her there.&lt;br /&gt;[Fellow suspect 4] has heard the suspect screaming against [victim 1]. [Involved person] has heard from [victim 1] that the suspect had enforced the prostitution work upon her. When [involved person] confronted the suspect with this, he said to her: "if you don't shut your big trap, then you go stand behind the window yourself." The suspect threatened [victim 1] regularly. He then said: "if you don't listen, I'll shoot you through your head."&lt;br /&gt;On or around September 11, 2009 the suspect and [fellow suspect 1] have been apprehended in connection with an armed burglary possibly committed by them.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-3282045648304822757?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/3282045648304822757/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=3282045648304822757' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/3282045648304822757'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/3282045648304822757'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/11/and-another-pooierboy-from-purmerend.html' title='And another pooierboy from Purmerend'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-6269462560390981693</id><published>2011-10-31T19:27:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-10-31T19:30:05.418+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Two other pooierboys from Purmerend</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Two other suspects from the gang of pimps from Purmerend (these cases are related to that case in my previous post BTW). The LJN numbers on the rechtspraak.nl-website are: BR2945 and BR3148. The verdict files can be read here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BR2945"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BR2945&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BR3148"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BR3148&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I must keep on going. I was on the Zandpad again. It was in the late evening. I have never seen so many pimps (no, these were not all clients). They nearly ran me over. It seemed to be almost 30 of them. I saw two of them intimidating the girls. One of them (a young Moroccan man) tried to jerk a door open, but it was locked. The girl was phoning on her cellphone. He said: "you are a mad! What you must? What you must? Fuck you must!" (in Dutch: "Je bent gek!!! Wat moet je? Wat moet je? Neuken moet je!”). You never see this during the afternoon on the Zandpad, perhaps the bats are still asleep then, after using drugs the whole night and putting all the money earned by the girls into the slot machine. I am totally crazy. What was I thinking? I thought I was calm during the last month. Luckily I didn't get inside. I must keep on going, I'm still losing my mind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are some translated bits from the LJN files, which basically tell the same story:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regarding fact 1&lt;br /&gt;in August 2009 [victim 1] (born on January 29, 1991) was picked up by the suspect, [fellow suspect 1] and a third person in Zoetermeer [parental residence of victim 1] and brought to the house in the [avenue] in Purmerend. [Victim 1], who was still living with her father until that moment, had a quarrel with her parents and she had huge debts with a telephone company. That's why [victim 1] wanted to leave home, she was fed up and was searching for another place to live.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] first came into contact with the suspect via the website 'partypeeps' in January 2009. Via internet (on the website named and MSN), on the computer in her father's home, she spoke with him about her financial problems, the quarrel with her parents and the fact that she wanted to leave home. During the chat conversations the suspect proposed to her to live with him in his house in Purmerend. The suspect had told [victim 1] furthermore that he lived alone and that they would be with the two of them. [Victim 1] knew the suspect for half a year already, she trusted him completely and she agreed with this proposal.&lt;br /&gt;During the drive from Zoetermeer [parental residence of victim 1] to Purmerend the suspect told about how beautiful his apartment was and how nice they would have it together. [Victim 1] felt at ease. [Victim 1] didn't know at that moment that the suspect didn't have an own house at all, neither that he lived together with [fellow suspect 1] and his (half-)brother [fellow suspect 2] and their girlfriends [victim 2] and [victim 3].&lt;br /&gt;After arriving in Purmerend, they stopped on the [avenue] and entered the house on number [number]. Once she was inside the house [victim 1] didn't feel at ease anymore. Multiple persons were present in the house. [Victim 1] felt that things weren't okay. She was told that she had to make money and the suspect started talking about working in prostitution. [Fellow suspect 1] was present there. The suspect showed lingerie to her and he said that she would start soon. When [victim 1] asked him if he had become crazy and told him that he must let his mother play as a whore, the suspect gave her a big slap in her face. [Fellow suspect 1] said: "be careful, she still has to work."&lt;br /&gt;Later on the suspect also had sex with [victim 1] in the bathroom of the house on the [avenue]. According to [fellow suspect 1] the suspect had sex with [victim 1] to test how she was in bed. This was to look if [victim 1] was good enough for prostitution, if she was good in having sex. The suspect then grabbed [victim 1] by her hair, he pulled his pants down and said to her that she had to give him a blowjob. During the blowjob [victim 1] tried to resist by pushing the suspect away, but the suspect punched her several times and kneed her in her face. The suspect held [victim 1] by her hair when he brought his penis into her mouth. Then [victim 1] was forced to turn around about by him, after which he fucked her vaginally.&lt;br /&gt;A couple of days after her arrival in the house on the [avenue] [victim 1] furthermore had sex with [fellow suspect 2], which was ordered by the suspect and against her will, after she was kicked in the back by the suspect and fallen onto the bed. The suspect said: "do your best, I'll see you soon." After that the suspect slapped [victim 1] in her face and on her naked body, because she had cried during the sex with [fellow suspect 2].&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 1] has worked at least five days in window prostitution in Haarlem in the period that she stayed on the [avenue] in Purmerend. She didn't want to work behind the window, but under pressure of the suspect she rented a room in the red light district of Haarlem. The first time that she rented a room, the suspect advanced the rent of the room to her which was 150 euro. In Haarlem [victim 1] had to finish off clients for fifty euro per client. The suspect, [fellow suspect 1] and/or [victim 2] brought her from the house on the [avenue] in Purmerend to Haarlem. [Victim 1] went walking with a little bag with amongst other things lingerie, condoms and lubricant. In the car [victim 2] more or less learnt to her the profession of prostitute. [Victim 2] was ordered to do that by the suspect and also by [fellow suspect 1]. [Victim 2] told [victim 1] for example how much she had to ask and what she had to do. Everything that [victim 1] could take she had to take. For a blowjob, fucking and positions she had to charge fifty euro extra. For fucking or giving a blowjob without condom she had to charge even more than fifty euro. [Victim 2] received money from the suspect to buy lingerie with that for [victim 1]. [Victim 1] had to work from afternoon until midnight and had approximately 5 clients a day. During work she was supervised by the suspect and [fellow suspect 1]. [Victim 1] saw them walking by often on the camera images when she was working. She also was phoned when she was working. She was controlled then. When she had finished working, the suspect and [fellow suspect 1] were already waiting for her. She had to hand over the money that she earned to the suspect. [Victim 1] had to earn a certain amount of money per day. When she earned less the suspect slapped her.&lt;br /&gt;According to [victim 2] the suspect was [victim 1]'s 'pimp' (the court understands: pimp). The suspect had no good intentions towards [victim 1], according to [victim 2]. She heard the suspect and [fellow suspect 1] talking about their intentions towards [victim 1]. The suspect was trafficking in human beings. For him it was only about money that he could earn from [victim 1]. He thought that she could earn lots of money.&lt;br /&gt;Even when [victim 1] was menstruating she was forced to work by the suspect; then she was ordered by the suspect to put a scourer into her vagina so she could work. [Victim 1] cut the scourer into pieces, which she subsequently placed into her vagina. When [victim 1] came back from work once, she sat down on the couch and started to cry. The suspect then screamed: "dirty sod! Go showering! You go sitting on that couch just like that!" Once before the suspect had called her a "little cancer whore".&lt;br /&gt;Aside from working in window prostitution the suspect ordered [victim 1] to work as a call-girl. Window prostitution didn't yield enough according to the suspect. On August 14 and 15, 2009, in the house on the [avenue] in Purmerend, two advertisements have been placed on the website 'seksjobs.nl' related to call-girl activities, where the advertisements were provided with a photo of [victim 1] on which she was scantily dressed. The suspect helped with placing the photo on the Internet and making up the texts for these advertisements. Texts were added to the advertisements like "horny Latina wants to pamper you in your home this evening already, interested mail!" and "wild Latina is in the mood to pamper you nicely".&lt;br /&gt;The suspect has sent [victim 1] twice for call-girl activities to a client in Purmerend. [Victim 1] entered the house of the client, while the suspect was waiting for her downstairs. The client paid her 150 euro for an hour. When she was ready, she stepped into the car with the suspect and she immediately had to hand over her earned money to him already.&lt;br /&gt;The suspect has threatened [victim 1] multiple times during her stay in the house on the [avenue]. For example, [victim 1] should not even think about running away. The suspect said that he knew a lot about her and that he would kill her and her family if she would run away. Aside from the suspect also [fellow suspect 1] threatened [victim 1] when she stayed in Purmerend. Because of the threats [victim 1] was very scared and she didn't dare to walk away. She was afraid that if she reported what happened to the police, the suspect and [fellow suspect 1] would become very angry. [Victim 1] was afraid something would be done to her family, especially her younger sister. [Fellow suspect 1] was a kind of right-hand man of the suspect. [Fellow suspect 1] brought [victim 1] to the workplaces and he also had ideas about more places where she could work. He also had telephone numbers, just like the suspect.&lt;br /&gt;In the house on the [avenue] [victim 1] met [fellow suspect 4]. On a certain moment [fellow suspect 4] took [victim 1] along with him from the house on the [avenue] and accommodated her in a house on the [street] in Purmerend. According to [victim 2] [fellow suspect 4] had "taken her over" from the suspect. Then a discussion ensued between [fellow suspect 4] and the suspect. Namely, the suspect wanted to have money from [fellow suspect 4] for [victim 1].&lt;br /&gt;On or around September 11, 2009 the suspect and [fellow suspect 4] have been apprehended in connection with a possible armed burglary committed by them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regarding fact 2&lt;br /&gt;Until April 2009 [victim 2] (born on February 27, 1989) lived in The Projects in (the court understands) Zaandam. There she met [fellow suspect 1] and the suspect. Since April 2009 [victim 2] was homeless and she roamed around in Purmerend. [Fellow suspect 1] and the suspect then came with the proposal that [victim 2] could live on the [avenue] in Purmerend. Afterwards [victim 2] heard from [fellow suspect 1] that then already the intention was to put her behind the window. [Victim 2] agreed with the proposal to live with [fellow suspect 1] and/or the suspect, and has lived on the [avenue] since approximately June/July 2009 until November/December 2009.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2] had many problems. [Fellow suspect 1] knew that. [Fellow suspect 1] also knew that [victim 2] had a borderline personality disorder.&lt;br /&gt;During her stay in the house on the [avenue] [victim 2] fell in love with [fellow suspect 1]. At one moment [fellow suspect 1] was admitted to a hospital for a period of three weeks. In that period the suspect and [victim 2] had oral and vaginal sex. [Victim 2] already had feelings for [fellow suspect 1] then. The suspect knew that, but he didn't care about that at all. Yet [Victim 2] tried to push him away from her, but the suspect used more force. "Because the resistance only took longer and longer, it happened", says [victim 2]. [Victim 2] saw the expression of the suspect; it was scary.&lt;br /&gt;When [fellow suspect 1] was back again, the suspect, in the presence of [victim 2], said to [fellow suspect 1]: "let us take that bitch, then we can make money with her".&lt;br /&gt;[Fellow suspect 1] asked [victim 2] to work in prostitution. The suspect was present there. [Victim 2] testified about this conversation that judging from their faces, they assumed that she would agree with it. [Victim 2] felt as if she was pushed into a corner and she had not much to say. Later on the suspect and [fellow suspect 2] also talked about it with [victim 2]. The suspect and [fellow suspect 2] wanted in any way, in one way or another, to see money. [Victim 2] only wanted to do it if [fellow suspect 1] was okay with it and would give his approval. She wanted [fellow suspect 1]'s attention, love and support. She felt insecure and frightened and did it because she was in love with [fellow suspect 1]. "It is not normal that I went standing behind the window, but I got love and attention", says [victim 2] in one of her testimonies to the police. In another testimony [victim 2] says: "I said 'yes' myself, but I was under an enormous pressure. I was misled. I was in love. They knew I had no place to stay, that I have been through a lot and that I was in love. (...) I wasn't behind the window voluntarily. I felt manipulated (...)."&lt;br /&gt;Especially out of fear for the suspect [victim 2] didn't run away. [Victim 3], who also was living on the [avenue] already, saw that [victim 2] was terribly afraid of the suspect.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2] has worked on June 21, 23 and 24, 2009 in window prostitution in Alkmaar. When she registered for a room in Alkmaar the suspect and [fellow suspect 1] stood at a certain distance. They checked if she went in.&lt;br /&gt;[Fellow suspect 1] wanted that she had as many clients as possible. She was ordered by [fellow suspect 1] to start at 19.00 hours and it was the intention that she would work until closing time at 03.00 hours. [Fellow suspect 1] had certain rules regarding kissing with clients and giving blowjobs without condom. That wasn't allowed. The suspect said to her how much she had to charge per client (35 euro for 20 minutes) and how much certain (special) positions had to cost extra. [Fellow suspect 2] and/or [fellow suspect 1] brought her, with the suspect, from and to her work in Alkmaar. In between [fellow suspect 1] collected the money earned by her in Alkmaar. The suspect and [fellow suspect 2] wanted this to happen. Because it wasn't allowed there to receive normal visitors, [fellow suspect 1] acted as if he was a client and he took the money. [Victim 2] received text messages from [fellow suspect 1] and the suspect that she had to phone when she was ready. The suspect and [fellow suspect 1] were always in the neighbourhood and they were always together.&lt;br /&gt;At first it was the intention that [victim 2] would (also) work in Amsterdam. [Fellow suspect 1] ordered her to search for a room in Amsterdam. She was brought to Amsterdam by [fellow suspect 1] and the suspect. [Fellow suspect 1] and the suspect waited in the car or outside around the corner when she asked window-landlords in Amsterdam for little cards or telephone numbers.&lt;br /&gt;At the end [victim 2] has worked in prostitution for not more than three days. After that she stopped with working in prostitution, because she became infected with chlamydia via a client and she couldn't work anymore and because [fellow suspect 1] (also) started to get feelings for her and she wasn't forced to work by him anymore. The suspect didn't agree with this. He wanted to see money.&lt;br /&gt;The suspect said to [victim 2]: "arrange a couple of bitches, then we can make good money." The suspect wanted [victim 2] to get to know other girls and take them with her, so he and [fellow suspect 1] could do the same with these girls like they did with [victim 1]. [Fellow suspect 1] testified about this that when [victim 1] came living on the [avenue], [victim 1] belonged to the suspect and [victim 2] belonged to [fellow suspect 1]. The suspect was the task of [victim 1] and [fellow suspect 1] the task of [victim 2].&lt;br /&gt;[Fellow suspect 1] and the suspect were according to [victim 3] like 'Chip and Dale' and 'Bonnie and Clyde'. They supported each other in everything and were like two hands on one belly.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-6269462560390981693?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/6269462560390981693/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=6269462560390981693' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/6269462560390981693'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/6269462560390981693'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/10/two-other-pooierboys-from-purmerend.html' title='Two other pooierboys from Purmerend'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-461305489232072161</id><published>2011-10-27T16:27:00.000+02:00</published><updated>2011-12-15T15:53:06.887+01:00</updated><title type='text'>A pooierboy from Purmerend</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This LJN file from rechtspraak.nl is about one of the 'pooierboys' from Purmerend. They seem to be from Surinam, at least the suspect from this LJN file is. This is the LJN number: BR2862. Here's the link:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BR2862"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BR2862&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From here on some translated bits:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regarding fact 1&lt;br /&gt;In December 2007 the suspect got to&amp;nbsp;know [victim 3] via the website 'Partypeeps'. They maintained contact via MSN and by telephone. She had many problems and she talked about it with the suspect. She then was 18 years old. In February 2009 they got a sexual relationship. At that moment she still had a relationship with one [ex-boyfriend of victim 3] with whom she lived together in the house of his mother. The contact with her own mother was very bad at that moment and between [victim 3] and [ex-boyfriend of victim 3] and between [ex-boyfriend of victim 3] and his mother things weren't going very well either. The stress between [victim 3] and [ex-boyfriend of victim 3] and the problems between [victim 3] and her mother and between [ex-boyfriend of victim 3] and his mother became too much for her. She didn't want to live with [ex-boyfriend of victim 3] and his mother anymore, but she didn't have a home herself. Around June or July 2009 she moved in into the house of the suspect in the [avenue] in Purmerend, where she has lived until October 19, 2009. In this house were also living [fellow suspect 2], [fellow suspect 1] and [victim 2]. In August 2009 also [victim 1] came to live in that house. During her residence in the house in the [avenue] in Purmerend [victim 3] discovered that the suspect lied about his personal circumstances. He had told her that he was 26 years old, but he turned out to be 34 years old. He also concealed that he had a wife, with whom he had two children. [Victim 3] was in love with the suspect in the meantime and they&amp;nbsp;entered into&amp;nbsp;a relationship together.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 3] had no work when she started to live in the suspect's house. She was home whole day. In the beginning she also wasn't allowed to go outside by the suspect. [Victim 2] was ordered by the suspect to constantly keep an eye on [victim 3].&lt;br /&gt;The suspect found that [victim 3] had to do something. Furthermore [victim 3] needed money herself. The suspect came with the idea that she could work in prostitution. He told that in the past he also had girls standing behind the glass. The suspect strongly urged [victim 3] to work in prostitution. She was in love with the suspect and he said that he wouldn't find her a lesser person if she would do that work. [Victim 3] did have no contact with her mother at that moment. The suspect was the only one she had, her only support. At first the suspect still consulted with [victim 3], but later on he said: "if you don't do it, you will see what will happen then". The suspect said that in a way that made a very threatening impression on [victim 3].&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 3] ultimately has worked, because the suspect had pushed her while she wasn't 100% behind it, for three days in Alkmaar, including on June the 23th and 24th 2009, and one day in the Hague in window prostitution. The suspect has brought her to Alkmaar and the Hague and also picked her up there again. The suspect explained to her how it worked and what she had to do. The suspect decided when she worked and how long. She had to work starting from 17.00 hours and the suspect wanted that she stopped after 01.00 hours. The suspect had rules: [victim 3] wasn't allowed to do it without condom and she wasn't allowed to kiss people. [Victim 3] had to phone the suspect when she had a client and also when the client left again. The suspect wanted to be constantly informed about what she did. When [victim 3] worked, the suspect phoned the whole time. [Victim 3] names as an example the incident when there was a client who only wanted to talk and paid €250 for that. The suspect kept on phoning, after which [victim 3] hung up the phone. Then the suspect visited [victim 3], he posed as a client and became totally angry.&lt;br /&gt;The suspect forced [victim 3] to hand over the money that she earned in prostitution to him. All the money that she has earned, was received by the suspect from her. [Victim 3] has seen nothing back of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regarding fact 2&lt;br /&gt;[victim 3] has lived with the suspect among other people in the period starting from July 2009 until October 2009 in the house of the suspect in the [avenue] in Purmerend. Starting from October 22, 2009 until January 19, 2010 she has lived in a blijf-van-mijn-lijfhuis it Leeuwarden. In the month of January 2010 she went to live in Amstelveen. In the month of February 2010 she got into contact with the suspect again. Starting from May 10, 2010 until October 21, 2010 [victim 3] and the suspect lived together on the address [address] in Purmerend. During the period that [victim 3] and the suspect lived together, they had a relationship with each other.&lt;br /&gt;During his relationship with [victim 3] the suspect was aggressive towards her in words and deeds. He has slapped [victim 3] multiple times with the flat of his hands in her face. The suspect slapped with his right hand as well as his left hand, but on his right hand the suspect has three big rings, which caused it to be painful. The suspect hit with everything that he got into this hands. He hit her with a slipper, the handle of a knife, a stucco spatula and a frying pan. He hit her on her head and/or on her body.&lt;br /&gt;In August 2009 the suspect stabbed [victim 3] with a kitchen knife. That was the first time that she saw the violent side of the suspect. The suspect then attacked her and beat her. The suspect also was angry sometimes in a human way, but this time it was as if she was a piece of chicken. She was very afraid then and she urinated in her pants out of fear.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 2] has often seen that the suspect behaved aggressively regarding [victim 3] in the period that she lived in the [avenue] in Purmerend. In that period she has often seen injuries on the body of [victim 3].&lt;br /&gt;Shortly before October 19, 2009 the suspect has bitten [victim 3] in her right upper arm while they were in the car. The tooth imprints of three teeth are still visible in the upper arm of [victim 3].&lt;br /&gt;On the address [address] in Purmerend the suspect cut into the fingers of [victim 3] with a chopping-knife. Everywhere in the house there was blood and as a result of her wounds [victim 3] lost consciousness in the shower. The scars of the incident are still visible on the fingers of both hands. The suspect has also hit [victim 3] with a broom on her body, her arm and against her ribs, in the period that she lived in the house on the [address] in Purmerend. She has walked around for weeks with muscular pain and she had trouble with her jaw.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regarding the facts 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7&lt;br /&gt;[victim 4] (born on [date of birth]) got to know the suspect via a girlfriend when she was 15 years old. The suspect was 26 years old at that moment [comment from me Donkey: that must have been around 2001]. Later on the girlfriend of [victim 4] was murdered. For [victim 4] this was a big drama and the event has scarred her in all respects. [Victim 4], who already had problems at home - she was a problem child, her parents had a lot of quarrels and she had lots of quarrels with her sister, she stopped with school and with listening. She mixed a lot with her best girlfriend and contemporary [victim 5] (born on [date of birth]), who also had problems at home. [Victim 5]'s parents were divorced. Her mother experienced lots of grief and mental problems because of that. No account was taken of the feelings of [victim 5] regarding the divorce. Because of that [victim 5] moved more and more towards [victim 4] and clamped herself to her.&lt;br /&gt;After the death of her girlfriend [victim 4] regularly encountered the suspect in the nightlife. She fell in love with him. The suspect knew that [victim 4] was in love with him. He also knew that she was 15 years old and that she had problems at home. They got tightly-knit contact and regularly had vaginal sex, also when [victim 4] was still 15 years old. The suspect at that moment also had a relationship with another woman, the mother of his children. The suspect only later fell in love with [victim 4].&lt;br /&gt;In the beginning the suspect was nice and friendly towards [victim 4] and [victim 5], but later the suspect became dominant and controlling. The aggression got the upper hand.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 4] was 15 years old when she got her first blow from the suspect. The suspect gave a hit with the outside of his hand against her mouth. Around his fingers he had metallic golden rings. The blow became very hard because of that. In this case there was no injury.&lt;br /&gt;The maltreatments occurred more and more often. The suspect always thought that [victim 4] had an affair, the reason why [victim 4] wasn't allowed to have contact with other men. The suspect checked if [victim 4] was home. The suspect maltreated [victim 4] when he couldn't control her. [Victim 5] has been a witness of many maltreatments of [victim 4] by the suspect. &lt;br /&gt;When the suspect beat [victim 4], it was often on the back of her head. The suspect has also beaten [victim 4] with several objects. In the [street 2] in (the court understands) Purmerend the suspect broke a plate on the head of [victim 4] which caused her ear to bleed heavily and it hurt a lot. The scar above her right ear is still visible. When [victim 4] was working in window prostitution in Amsterdam the suspect has beaten her in her room with a full can of soda against her leg and against her head. When the suspect stopped beating, she had bumps on her head and a big blue bruise on her leg. [Victim 4] was also very dizzy and had a headache.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 5] was also beaten by the suspect. She was 15 or 16 years old when she was beaten for the first time by the suspect. The reason for the maltreatments was always something small. For example, the suspect wanted to know where [victim 4] had been when he first hit [victim 5]. The suspect hit [victim 5] with the flat of his hand on her cheek. [Victim 5] became very scared and walked backwards. The suspect approached her and gave her another few hits. An extravasation in her neck was the result. The suspect has maltreated [victim 5] between her 15th and 18th year of her life between 5 and 10 times. Aside from hitting with the flat of his hand, he also hit her with a knife on her upper leg.&lt;br /&gt;At one moment the suspect told [victim 4] and [victim 5] that he knew somebody who wanted paid sex with one of them. The client supposedly didn't know with whom of them both he wanted sex. [Victim 4] told the suspect that she didn't want to go with them, after which the suspect gave her a so-called low kick against her lower leg. [Victim 4] fell down and she cried. [Victim 5] kept silent. She didn't dare to run away and she was in panic. The suspect grabbed [victim 4] by her neck and together with her and [victim 5] he walked to the house of [witness 2] in Purmerend. In the house of [witness 2] a man was present named '[man]'. [Man] chose [victim 5]. [Victim 5] didn't know if she did want it, but the suspect said something like: "you have to go" or "now go then". Then [victim 5] had sex with [man] in the bedroom of the house of [witness 2]. [Man] gave the fee for the sex with [victim 5] to the suspect. It was approximately €170 or €200. [Victim 5] was approximately 16 or had just become 17 years old then.&lt;br /&gt;Within half a year the suspect told [victim 5] that [man] wanted to see her and that an appointment had been made again. The suspect has brought [victim 5] to the house of [man] in Amsterdam. [Victim 4] was also present. [Victim 5] again had sex with [man] there. [Victim 5] has seen that [man] handed over money to the suspect. In total [victim 5] has been between 5 and 10 times with [man] to have sex for money. This concerned vaginal and anal sex. The appointments were arranged by the suspect and he always received the payment of [man]. Afterwards the suspect gave [victim 5] a part of the proceeds. That money was also for [victim 4] and concerned approximately half of the money paid by [man].&lt;br /&gt;When [victim 4] and [victim 5] had reached the age of 18 years, the suspect proposed that both should work in prostitution. The suspect impressed upon them that - when they had worked for a while - they could open an own business in the future with the saved money, namely a bar. [Victim 5] was scared and experienced the proposal of the suspect as pressure. She didn't want to work in window prostitution. She told the suspect that she didn't know if she really wanted it. The suspect talked her into it. He talked about the money, about the fact that they had no diplomas and the possibility of starting an own business after a while. It wasn't actually a question, but an order, according to [victim 5].&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 4] and [victim 5] had just become 18 years old when they started working in window prostitution in Amsterdam together [comment from me Donkey: that must have been around 2004]. The first evening [victim 4] was brought by the suspect and one "[man 2]" to the centre of Amsterdam, where she met [victim 5]. [Victim 4] had a difficult time the first day. She didn't want to. The suspect entered her room to ask how things were going. [Victim 4] told the suspect that she couldn't do it. She started to cry. [Victim 5] saw how the suspect pulled her by her arm towards a room. The suspect started to beat and to kick her. [Victim 5] heard [victim 4] shout "ouch". The suspect pulled [victim 4]'s hair and dragged her over the ground. He shouted: "you go!" and "you just stay here, you must do it". He said this with an imposing and compelling voice. [Victim 4] subsequently stood behind the window again. [Victim 4] and [victim 5] were scared. [Victim 4] told [victim 5] that she had to work. [Victim 5] didn't dare to run away.&lt;br /&gt;The suspect had telephone numbers of the window landlord at his disposal. The suspect had knowledge of window letting. The rooms rented by [victim 4] and [victim 5] were located next to each other. The suspect lent them the money for the rent of the window. The suspect wanted the window rent that was advanced by him to be paid back to him and that he would get half of the earnings. The suspect lived off the money earned by [victim 4] and [victim 5]. The suspect told how much [victim 4] and [victim 5] had to charge per client per quarter of an hour for a blow job and fucking, how much they had to charge extra when a client stayed longer and how much they had to charge for an extra position. [Victim 4] wasn't allowed to receive black men/negroes as a client. In the beginning he stayed in the neighbourhood. The suspect was in the cafe immediately opposite the window of [victim 4] and kept an eye on her. The suspect exerted supervision. He could suddenly stand in front of the window. He phoned a lot, each evening. He then asked how things were going and how much she had earned already. In the beginning the suspect collected money from [victim 4]. That was an amount of 50 euros. The suspect brought [victim 4] and [victim 5] almost daily to their work and also picked them up.&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 4] and [victim 5] mostly worked six days a week in prostitution. [Victim 5] and [victim 4] couldn't take some time off just like that. They had to discuss that with the suspect, this way it was imprinted into them. Enough money came in. The first evening [victim 4] and [victim 5] each earned between 500 and 1000 euros. [Victim 4] earned on average 800 euros per evening.&lt;br /&gt;At one moment [victim 4] and [victim 5] went to live together in a house on the [street 2] in Purmerend. The suspect quickly moved in with them. Later on [victim 4], [victim 5] and the suspect also lived in three other houses.&lt;br /&gt;The suspect wanted [victim 4] to have tattoos placed on her. It was his idea. [Victim 4] had the letter 'E' of [first name of victim 4] and the letter 'R' of [first name of the suspect] placed on her right hand. The tattoo was a sort of mark, a sort of proof of ownership that she belonged to the suspect.&lt;br /&gt;The suspect could go berserk. If something wasn't to his liking, then he always said "now you have to watch out because I see black before my eyes". He often gave beatings. The suspect also once took a knife and threatened to cut off the hair of [victim 4] and [victim 5].&lt;br /&gt;[Victim 4] has worked for the suspect in prostitution until about June 2006; [victim 5] until the age of 20 [comment from me Donkey: that must have been around 2006].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(...)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The acts of the suspect have left deep marks on the victims. [Victim 4] as well as [victim 5] and [victim 3] have testified which consequences they experienced from this and still experience. They have all suffered physical pain and still experience physical and emotional damage, they developed a low self-image and don't have (full) trust in other persons. [Victim 5] has cut herself in her face; "worse than this it couldn't get anymore". [Victim 3] doesn't dare to enter a relationship out of fear to enter a similar situation. The marks that the acts of the suspect left on [victim 4], were expressed as follows during this session of the court:&lt;br /&gt;Now I stand here, 26 years old. Having experienced enough of the rotten side of life like a person aged 100, but experienced too little of the normal life for somebody aged 26. I belong home nowhere. No school, no education, no work experience, no money, no self-confidence, no self-esteem. I'm not capable of building up a normal relationship with a man.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-461305489232072161?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/461305489232072161/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=461305489232072161' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/461305489232072161'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/461305489232072161'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/10/pooierboy-from-purmerend.html' title='A pooierboy from Purmerend'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-4583197546058531722</id><published>2011-10-22T18:13:00.005+02:00</published><updated>2011-12-15T15:55:55.172+01:00</updated><title type='text'>A forced prostitute from Yugoslavia</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I read through all these LJN files about forced prostitution on rechtspraak.nl it strikes me that by far most verdicts related to forced prostitution are about window prostitution. That's also what I find when I &lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/01/analysis-of-forced-prostitution-in.html"&gt;analyse&lt;/a&gt; all media stories about forced prostitution. This however is not what is found by Comensha (look on mensenhandel.nl). They register all human trafficking cases in the Netherlands that are reported to them. They do find many cases of forced prostitution other than in window prostitution. Even in the clubs and the so-called "privéhuizen".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the Netherlands we mean by a club a brothel with a bar where the clients and the prostitutes can meet and drink alcohol, then the clients can choose a woman while chatting and drinking with them, and then they go to a separate room where they have sex. A "privéhuis" is a sex club without a bar, clients are directly introduced to the prostitutes in a separate room, the clients have to choose a prostitute and then go to a room where they have sex. I haven't seen an English word with the same meaning as "privéhuis". I think massage parlour would be an appropriate expression, but in Dutch that means something different. In Dutch a massage parlour is a brothel where no intercourse takes place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When you look at the verdicts on rechtspraak.nl forced prostitution cases are often related to window prostitution. Sometimes this is related to clubs. But often this is the case because pimps who operate in window prostitution areas sometimes put their women in clubs. The gang of Saban B also did that, although they mainly put their women in window brothels. There are rarely are any mentions of forced prostitution in "privéhuizen" on rechtspraak.nl. And this is not because there are few of these type of brothels in the Netherlands, there are quite many of them. The question is if there really is rarely any human trafficking in privéhuizen. Then the answer is simple: only go to these types of brothels. But I won't put my money on it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will write something about such a case on rechtspraak.nl where a woman was forced to work in a privéhuis. This case has the LJN number: BL6374. You can find the link here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BL6374"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BL6374&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I find this case very convincing. However, after appeal he is totally acquitted! (it has the LJN-number BR1678) No explanation is given in the verdict why he is acquitted. Perhaps there were some errors in the procedures.&amp;nbsp;You can read the appeal here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BR1678"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BR1678&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hereafter are some translated parts of BL6374 (which I made a bit more readable):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In September 2005 the victim got to know the suspect during a Yugoslavian party in Rotterdam. They exchanged telephone numbers and since then they maintained contact by telephone. She then visited the suspect during the weekends in the place where he lived. In the third weekend after their first meeting they decided to live together. He wanted to buy a house, but because he had a debt of €13,000 he couldn't get a mortgage. During that period he alternately worked as a welder or he was on sick leave. She then proposed to him that they could only get out of debt by making money with drugs or prostitution. He said that he wanted nothing to do with drugs, but he didn't resist her proposal to work in prostitution. She read an advertisement in the paper of club [X] in Mol in Belgium and she went looking there, after which she decided to work in that club as a prostitute (they probably mean the sex club: "Ritz-clubbing").&lt;br /&gt;At the end of September 2005 she went working in [X]. She has worked there for nine months. The suspect phoned her all day. He always asked how much she had earned and he forced her to phone and to send text messages at the moment she went upstairs with a client. This way he knew how many clients she had. This way he controlled her. She also had to write down what she had earned. After she had gave him the money, he counted it again and compared it with the amounts she wrote down on paper. Once, after she hid €1500 in the pocket of her trousers, he found it, after which she was maltreated by him. After a couple of months he started to maltreat and humiliate her. He hit her everywhere on her body. He also kicked with his feet against her legs, belly, back, head and face. He always complained that there was too little money and that the mortgage had to be paid. This way he put pressure on her to work again as a prostitute. He showed her advertisements of clubs in which girls were asked for prostitution.&lt;br /&gt;Witness [B] got to know her at the end of September 2005 when she worked as a prostitute in the [X] in Mol in Belgium. At first he was a client of her. After that he kept on meeting her. He saw approximately 6 times that she had bruises on her body. These bruises were on her legs, arms and buttocks. Witness [B] has visited her for approximately 5 months in the [X]. When he saw her, a phone call or text message came every quarter of an hour. The mood then turned bad, she became scared. He concluded that it had to do something with the text messages.&lt;br /&gt;Witness [C] went to the Netherlands in February 2006 at the request of the suspect. After the suspect bought a house [C] came to live in the house of the suspect and the victim. [C] has witnessed a couple of maltreatments of the victim by the suspect. The suspect maltreated her whenever it suited him. The victim was beaten, kicked, and pulled by the hair and was kicked against the wall. Witness [C] has often seen injuries on the body of the victim, like bruises on her head, bare spots on her head because her hair was pulled out, and swollen lips.&lt;br /&gt;Within a period of four months witness [C] has lived in the house of the suspect and the victim for approximately two and a half months. In June 2006 he went back to Yugoslavia. [C] has testified to the police that at the request of the suspect he had to remove a little bag with money under the mattress in the bedroom. He has done that and he saw within the bag a big pile of banknotes of €500 and €100. The suspect was often flaunting with piles of money. The suspect told about the money that it was earned by his little woman. He meant the victim by that.&lt;br /&gt;According to the victim the suspect has tried to bring her to death on March 8 in the year that witness [C] was staying in their house.&lt;br /&gt;That day it was Women's Day in Yugoslavia. She received a text message from a female friend from Yugoslavia. At that moment she was in the living room. The suspect snatched her telephone away from her and read the text message. He became angry. She walked to the kitchen and at the moment she walked towards the living room she felt that the suspect beat her very hard. Because of the blow she fell on the floor. Right after that she felt that the suspect kicked very hard with his feet on her back. He then grabbed her by the hands and then tried to pull her hands away from each other. She then felt that the suspect pushed a wad in her mouth. She couldn't breathe anymore. It became black before her eyes and she got unconscious. Witness [C] confirms this event and testifies to the examining judge that on March 8, 2006 he knew that there was something going on between the victim and the suspect. On that day he was in their home and was in the living room at the moment when he heard screams coming from the bedroom. He saw that the victim ran towards him and that the suspect was chasing her and that he started to hit her in the face with his fists. Witness [C] demanded from the suspect to stop, but the suspect didn't stop. At one moment she fell on the floor as a result of the beating and kicking. The suspect tried to suffocate the victim. The suspect then took a tea-towel, then sat down with his knee on her chest and pushed the towel in her mouth. Witness [C] saw that she started to suffocate and started to pull with her legs because she couldn't get air anymore. The witness then grabbed the suspect and pushed him away and removed the towel from her mouth. She then was unconscious and appeared blue. Before that day there were quarrels between the suspect and the victim.&lt;br /&gt;Witness [C] saw that the suspect was looking for addresses of nightclubs on the Internet; for places where she could work. Witness [C] accompanied the victim and the suspect when they visited brothels in the neighbourhood of Antwerpen. After he asked the suspect if she was involved in prostitution, the suspect answered that she was involved in that and that she worked for the suspect. There were lots of quarrels about money. When she didn't bring enough money, there were quarrels. Every time when she came home she gave money to the suspect. Witness [C] saw that at least 10 times. A couple of times he has seen that the suspect inspected the bags and shoes of the victim, while she was showering. The suspect sometimes said to the victim when she gave money to him that she didn't make many hours.&lt;br /&gt;Witness [C] testifies to the police that there were periods that the victim was away for two or three days in a row to work in sex clubs where she also spent the night. During those days the suspect supervised her by constantly phoning her. After she handed over the earned money to him, witness [C] saw that the suspect counted the money.&lt;br /&gt;Witness [D] testifies to the examining judge that at the end of December 2005 she was in Yugoslavia and that she saw the victim there together with the suspect. The suspect had a separate suitcase with presents for everybody in the family, for example a white fur coat for [E], the sister of the victim. The suspect said very clearly that he bought this all.&lt;br /&gt;Witness [E] testifies to the examining judge that in May 2006 she came to the Netherlands to spend some time with her sister, the victim. She resided in the house of the victim for approximately 2 weeks who was then living with the suspect. After a couple of days she witnessed a quarrel between the suspect and her sister. While in anger the suspect said to witness [E]: "did you know that your sister is a whore and works as a prostitute". She saw that the suspect beat her sister and pulled her by the hair. He kicked her and said she was a whore. He pulled out the hair extensions of the victim. Then he threw her on the floor and he kicked her. Next witness [E] and the suspect brought the victim to the hospital.&lt;br /&gt;The victim testifies to the police that after she worked in [X] in Belgium, she has worked in "[X2]" near Nijmegen, "[X3]" in Eindhoven, "[X4]" in Eindhoven, [X5] in Dordrecht, [X6] in Zundert and [X7] in Rotterdam, and that also in these places she was under the control of the suspect. Everybody in those clubs noticed that because of the constant telephone calls of the suspect. She had to hand over all the money that she earned there to the suspect. She declared to the examining judge that she has worked for approximately 2 months in a privéhuis called "[X8]" and that she worked in "[X7]" in Rotterdam when the suspect was in prison. That was in 2007. From September 2005 until February 2008 she has worked in prostitution without interruption.&lt;br /&gt;Witness [F] got to&amp;nbsp;know the victim in sex club [X7] in Rotterdam.&lt;br /&gt;They worked together there as a prostitute. In that club she noticed that the victim was phoned all day on her mobile phone. Sometimes 20 times within an hour. She saw that the victim was really nervous and that she started to panic when the phone rang once again. At a certain moment the victim got warnings from the proprietor of the club that she wasn't allowed to be phoned anymore on her mobile phone. This wasn't supposed to be good for the other girls in the club and the clients. They also saw that she started to panic and often started to cry when the telephone rang. Witness [F] still remembers that the victim was totally in panic when she didn't earn so much one time.&lt;br /&gt;The owner of sex club [X7] in Rotterdam named [owner] confirmed to the police that he addressed the victim about the fact that she was phoned all day on her mobile phone by her boyfriend. Also the female manager of that same sex club has testified to the police that the victim was phoned all day by her boyfriend. She saw that the victim reacted very nervously when she was phoned.&lt;br /&gt;Witness [owner2] is the owner of the sex business "[X8]" established in Rotterdam.&lt;br /&gt;He testifies on July 8, 2009 that the victim has worked for approximately one and a half week in his privéhuis. That was approximately two and a half years ago. He has seen the boyfriend of the victim two times at his privéhuis. He noticed that there were continuous phone calls on her mobile phone; every 15 or 30 minutes. He heard that a foreign language was spoken. He understood that it was the boyfriend of the victim. He saw that the victim was agitated regularly because her boyfriend phoned.&lt;br /&gt;Witness [owner3] is the owner of the private club "[X3]", established in Eindhoven. In May 2007 a Yugoslavian girl came working in that club.&lt;br /&gt;On a certain moment he heard from the other girls who worked there that the victim was phoned the whole day long by her guy. According to the girls that guy phoned to the victim to get information from her about how many clients she has had and how much she has earned. When [owner3] heard this, he asked the victim what was going on. The victim confirmed to [owner3], that her boyfriend asked about the money she earned. [Owner3] then told the victim about the idea to keep money behind. She then gave [owner3] money that he saved for her and that she brought home in the weekend to her house. Before the victim came to work there, she has worked in club [X4].&lt;br /&gt;On February 13, 2008 a female manager of sex club [X9] in the Hague phoned to the police with the message that the victim worked in this club as a prostitute and that she possibly was a victim of human trafficking.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-4583197546058531722?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/4583197546058531722/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=4583197546058531722' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/4583197546058531722'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/4583197546058531722'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/10/when-i-read-through-all-these-ljn-files.html' title='A forced prostitute from Yugoslavia'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-2786059681640700032</id><published>2011-10-17T22:35:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2011-12-07T20:13:13.483+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Nino</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to tell something about the Turkish pimp Youssef O also known as Nino. You can read about him on rechtspraak.nl if you search on LJN-number BT6850 or BK7604. Youssef O is part of a gang of pimps that was investigated under the case name: Judo. Here are the links:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BT6850"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BT6850&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BK7604"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BK7604&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to tell about him because even I am shocked when I read this. Normally when I read all those human trafficking files I don't feel anything, perhaps because my nerve endings are overstimulated. But perhaps within that cold block of ice there is warm little heart beating, which is always good. Perhaps I'm a good person after all, perhaps I do have a conscience. By the way, there is another such evil pimp also known as Monti who was an associate of Saban B. Reading about him also made me cringe, but I will tell about him later. But now I will tell about Youssef.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many women were victim of Youssef. Like in many human trafficking cases it cannot be proven for many women in this particular case that they were actually victim of this pimp. Often there only is the testimony of the woman which cannot be backed up by other evidence. So the evidence is dismissed. Some women denied that they are forced by him. In this case it can't be proven for seven women that they were forced. As an example, the life of one woman is characterised by abuse and maltreatment by many men, like her stepfather and multiple pimps who bought and sold her amongst each other. She testified that at one moment she belonged to the suspect and that he forced her to work as a prostitute, and that he took her earned money from her. Unfortunately, there is no other evidence to back her claim up. The only other evidence is that she worked for the suspect as a prostitute and that he gave her a black eye. That apparently is not forbidden, or they forgot to accuse him of that. So he is acquitted of that accusation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are two LJN files. One file is the appeal. The names of the persons have been replaced by initials (many women have Dutch names, so you get names like Marieke van Beveren which become M van B) or the word 'name' followed by a number, [name + number]. Some mistakes have been made, often name 6 is called name 7 by mistake. Name 6 seems to be the same person as A van D (because of the both persons the ulna in the arm was broken with a baseball bat, so I assume they are the same person), so I will call name 6 by the initials A van D. Often it is not clear which person in one LJN file is which person in the other LJN file. When I talk about the persons I prefer the initials, else I will use the [name + number]. In many cases the suspect was acquitted of facts after the appeal.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of the victim called J van O it can be proven that she was forced. The two LJN files tell a slightly different story. Now the first story. Around the time she became 18 years old she&amp;nbsp;entered into&amp;nbsp;a relationship with the suspect and she went to live with him. Shortly after that he proposed to her that she could work in prostitution, so that they can build up a future together. Because she was so in love with him, she did it. Starting from the spring of 1998 she has worked in prostitution for approximately 3 years, during which the suspect was her pimp. He collected the money earned by her and kept it. After approximately 9 months she actually wanted to stop working as a prostitute, but the suspect didn't allow that. The relationship between them got bad, after which the suspect maltreated her multiple times and sometimes put a gun against her head. A number of times she fled, but again and again he was able to find her back and she had to continue working in prostitution. She had to work a lot and earn a lot of money. After she tried to flee with another prostitute called G he took her back with a lot of violence, she was beaten throughout the whole room and she wasn't allowed to go outside anymore. During another attempt to flee she went to her mother. The mother said to the suspect that her daughter wouldn't work for him anymore. The suspect didn't accept that and he threatened J van O as well as her mother, after which both fled to the Blijf van mijn Lijf Huis in Haarlem. Her mother declared that her daughter was mentally broken, she was like a girl aged four. She told her mother that she had to hand over all her money to the suspect. Her mother says that her daughter fled many times from the suspect. Every time that this happened he threatened her daughter and other family members with death, so that her daughter would go back to him.&lt;br /&gt;Now the second story. J van O was born in 1980 and she testified that at the age of 17 she got the relationship with suspect. She then worked in a pub. He kept on visiting her, gave a lot of attention to her and eventually she fell for him. He obliged her to stop working in the pub. The suspect also said to her that she wasn't allowed to have contact with her family anymore because they did nothing for her anyway. She then could live in his home. He always stayed with her so that she couldn't go to old friends. After their relationship lasted three months she came to live with the suspect in an apartment with prostitutes who were supposed to be working for the suspect and another person. Later the suspect proposed to her to get rid of them and that she could work in prostitution for him to build up a future together. She felt very special because he wanted to get rid of the girls especially for her. He told her he was in debt. When she became 18 years old, he told that they could live a good life together by which he meant that she could work in prostitution. That was repeated again and again in conversations. Working in prostitution would be for their common future with a big luxurious house in Morocco where they would live together. She became convinced by him. Within a month after she became 18 years old she started working in prostitution.&lt;br /&gt;The first time that she worked on the Wallen in Amsterdam the suspect brought condoms, lingerie, lubricant and bedsheets and paid for that. He brought her with his car. They practised together how to ask for money in a sort of play. During her work he stayed in the neighbourhood. He was with her 24 hours a day. With the car in front of the door or on the opposite side of the street. When she didn't want to let certain people in he came to protect her.&lt;br /&gt;She phoned to the suspect after she had earned between 500 and 1000 guilders after which he picked her up. He and she bought clothes of this. After that it turned out that he had arrears in payments and the money went to his family, medical expenses and several cars.&lt;br /&gt;More or less in the middle of the period that she worked behind the window, she said to him that she didn't want to work in prostitution anymore. Then she was put into the car by him and she was beaten up.&lt;br /&gt;Around Christmas of the second year in prostitution she resisted. On the highway this suspect had the idea that if she wouldn't go to work, he would kill her. He would drive her to a lake, then kill her and throw her into the lake. After that he indeed drove to the lake. He told there that he would phone his mother to say that he was sorry that he was going to kill J van O. He then stepped out of the car and then she locked the doors. He then put a gun against the window. Becoming very frightened she then had to open the door again. A conversation followed that they needed money and that she had to say sorry because she didn't listen.&lt;br /&gt;At another occasion the suspect showed her that there were bullets in the gun, he removed the magazine and clicked. On the bed he has held the gun against her temple for a while.&lt;br /&gt;During menstruation she had to keep on working. He said to her that she had to do it with a sponge that she had to bring inside and he explained to her how it worked. He also gave her pills to lose weight with some sort of speed in it. She had to take those pills, because when she didn't do her best to work she was beaten up again. She had to earn between 1000 and 1500 guilders per day. In the weekend she sometimes made 3000 guilders per day and then worked without a break.&lt;br /&gt;Starting from approximately 2001 J van O mentally collapsed, and then he didn't force her to work behind the windows anymore, but she had to serve rich clients as a call-girl. That wasn't full-time anymore. At the end in 2003 he allowed her to stop definitely with working in prostitution.&lt;br /&gt;The grandmother of J van O said that her granddaughter told her she worked in prostitution. It struck her that her granddaughter never had money. Every time her granddaughter was gone the suspect phoned her angrily and said to her that she should take care that her granddaughter would come back, and if she wouldn't do that that he would do something bad. That's why she became very frightened of him. An example of a threat is that he would take her or her great-granddaughter into hostage. It was five or six times that he phoned this way. She was also phoned once by a girlfriend of her granddaughter called G, who told her that the suspect had beaten her granddaughter badly and had also taken her with him. She then asked G why the suspect had searched for her granddaughter and taken her with him. G answered that it was because he forced her granddaughter to work in prostitution in Amsterdam. Her granddaughter also admitted that later to her. The grandmother also said that her granddaughter had a tattoo with the name of the suspect and that she later changed that tattoo. She said that she placed that tattoo on her left arm in the period that she had worked six months behind the windows. It made clear that others should stay away from her.&lt;br /&gt;A prostitute called W Z said that she knew J van O and the suspect. She worked in prostitution in the period 1999 until 2003. She saw them daily. She said that they had a relationship with each other. She said that J van O worked the whole night and that the suspect was always with her. She tells that J van O and another girl (A van D) handed over their money to the suspect. That was the standard situation and he was known for that. She said he didn't work but did have expensive cars.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The suspect also had a relationship with a Romanian woman called M C. She tells that she has worked for him for two and a half years. At the age of 20 she came to the Netherlands. Before she met the suspect she didn't work in prostitution. He proposed to her that she could work in prostitution and said that she could make a lot of money in prostitution. She began working in prostitution in October or November 2004 in the Spuistraat in Amsterdam. Around Christmas 2004 she had to work on the Wallen because he said that she could make more money there.&lt;br /&gt;In December 2004 she started to hand over her earned money to him. In the beginning he said that he wanted to lend the money from her and that he would pay it back. After that he asked her to give the money to him and that he would save it. He often came in her room to ask how work was going and sick or not, she had to keep on working. On the advice of the suspect she lived in a house that he rented on his name in the Hague. He didn't live there himself in that period. For two years she worked seven days a week and she only had one day off every three months. During a bad week she earned between 4000 and 5000 Euros per week and during the summer between 7000 and 8000 Euros per week. The rent of the room which she paid herself is already deducted from that. He never returned the money to her. When she asked him to give the money back he said there was something wrong with the bank account, or something. She then decided that she could better go to her country of origin and leave the money behind, because she was afraid of him. She ended the relationship in April 2007. &lt;br /&gt;When in 2007 she got a relationship with another man she wanted to leave the suspect. While they drove in a car on the highway to the Hague he held a gun against her head. He threatened to her that if she wouldn't leave her boyfriend he would call negroes to shoot down the boyfriend. Furthermore the suspect threatened her with SMSes or by telephone that he would catch her and would destroy her life and would murder her new boyfriend. After her departure to Romania he also phoned to her family in Romania.&lt;br /&gt;During one inspection in her workroom the vice police noticed a tattoo on her body with the name of the suspect. She declared that she had a tattoo on her lower back, that this wasn't done voluntarily and that the suspect was present when she placed it there. Furthermore police agents noticed that the suspect often walked around on the Wallen.&lt;br /&gt;On June 21, 2007 she said to people of the police in the office of the company which rents out rooms that she wanted to report the suspect to the police because she was forced to work in prostitution. She said that from January 2005 until April 2007 he was her pimp whom she gave all the money she earned, between 4000 and 8000 Euros per week.&lt;br /&gt;It can be derived from telephone conversations between her and the suspect that in the period between February 22, 2006 until April 13, 2006 the suspect had almost daily contact with her by telephone. In a conversation on March 17, 2006 and also on March 26, 2006 the suspect said to her that he wanted to go with her to Spain. That she has to save money and then buy a house in Spain with a swimming pool and have children together. She also has to do what the suspect says.&lt;br /&gt;When the relationship just started he said: "I want to have a serious relationship with you". She was alone and had no friends. She was in love with him. He abused that situation. He said: "we are going to save money together". He came every two or three days and she gave him the money that she earned in those days. He said: "when we are going to live together then you only have to work two or three years. Then you will stop and we will marry and make children." He had all the money and she had to ask for it when she needed money. In those years that she has worked for him she has earned a lot. She has spent little herself and made some transfers to Romania, but that was very little. At her request the suspect transferred between 4000 and 6000 Euros to her when she was already in Romania.&lt;br /&gt;The suspect declares that he had an on-and-off relationship with M C, when he already had a relationship with A van D. She, M C, ordered him to put money on his account, because she wanted to hide the money from the tax department. He says that he put a lot of her money on his bank account.&lt;br /&gt;A witness called S declared that in 2005 and some years after that she was working as a prostitute in the passage (La Vie en Rose) on the Wallen in Amsterdam. Also M C worked there as a prostitute, in a room next to her and sometimes opposite to her. She recognises the suspect from a picture as the boyfriend of M C and she declares that everybody is afraid of him. She declared that M C really worked a lot and also earned a lot. She worked two or three years without vacation, seven days a week from 20.00 until 04.00 hours and she was always there, also on holidays, and she earned at least €1000 a day. She also worked when she had her period. She believes that M C was the one who earned the most money and she called her the number one of the red light district. M C told S that she was in love with the suspect and that she wanted to continue with him and have a baby with him. Every summer she said that she was going to stop working again, but she kept on working. Every time she told S that the suspect wanted to save some money for only a short while longer. According to S it was generally known that M C gave her money to the suspect, and she has also seen that he brought her to work and she saw them together in the parking garage of the Bijenkorf.&lt;br /&gt;A witness called D said that she knew M C as the ex of the suspect, but she never met her personally. When she, D, lived at the suspect's place she experienced herself that the suspect went looking for M C in Vinkeveen. She heard that he told that to A van D. She later heard that the suspect never found M C again. At the moment M C was gone, A van D had to work in prostitution again. D has experienced that herself, because she then lived there.&lt;br /&gt;The bank accounts of the suspect have been inspected. In the period between January 1, 2005 until April 1, 2007 large amounts of money have been deposited on that account. That's the same period when M C worked for him. The total amount of money deposited is €237,000.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The suspect was convicted of forcing another woman into prostitution, but after appeal he seems to have been acquitted of that. This girl is called [name 5] in the file. On July 13, 2004 during an inspection on the Oudezijds Achterburgwal [name 3] and [name 5] were encountered. They each rented a room in the same building and testified that they lived together. They each testify about an encounter with each other after they were placed in a house by the suspect and they remember about an incident with hot tea that [name 3] threw over [name 5] after which the suspect maltreated [name 3]. They also confirmed that they worked in prostitution next to each other. They both worked in prostitution in the summer of 2004 for the suspect. [Name 5] already worked in prostitution in Amsterdam when the suspect said that he could help her. He called himself Nino. In the summer in 2004 the suspect took [name 5] in a car to a hotel in the Hague. He then let her take another sim-card and then told her that she could work in the Hague in prostitution. There also was a French-speaking girl, recognised by [name 5] as [name 3]. After one day [name 5] went working in Amsterdam again. At the end of her shift the suspect came and asked how much she had earned. [Name 5] was allowed to keep €50 herself and she had to give the rest to the suspect. When [name 5] had her period, she had to keep on working and she used a sponge for that. After she had been together for too long with a client, the suspect threw her on the bed after which she fell on the edge of stone of the bed and she felt pain. After that she was hit by the flat of his hand on her body. [Name 5] has worked for the suspect for two months, six days a week.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The suspect was convicted of forcing yet another woman into prostitution, but after appeal he seems to have been acquitted of that. On October 15, 2002 the mother of A van D reports to the police that her daughter works in prostitution for the suspect, that A van D didn't want this anymore and that she was dragged into the car by him and kidnapped. Later that day she is encountered in the prostitution area in the Hague behind the windows. A van D acknowledges the quarrel with the suspect but says that has been talked through. She said that when her previous relationship ended she didn't know what to do anymore. She had a child aged three and accepted the offer of the suspect that when the need was high to arrange a place to live. She then stayed with a couple of friends of the suspect a couple of days. She then arranged a house and began to work as a prostitute again. In 2003 the suspect went to live with her.&lt;br /&gt;During the relationship with the suspect she has worked in prostitution for five years. The money that she earned went into a jar. The suspect always had money and was often spotted on the Wallen. The suspect also put money in the jar and she and the suspect took money from that. At the end nothing was left for her of her earned money. When she said that she wanted to leave him, he threatened to&amp;nbsp;harass her mother.&lt;br /&gt;J van O declares that she had contact with A van D and that A van D told her that she worked for the suspect. A van D didn't want to work in prostitution anymore but didn't dare to leave the suspect because he often stood at the school of her child and she was afraid that her son would be kidnapped by the suspect. That was in 2004 or 2005.&lt;br /&gt;After an interruption A van D went working in prostitution again on the Zandpad in Utrecht on April 30, 2007. She earned between 1300 and 1400 Euros after deduction of the expenditures.&lt;br /&gt;From wiretapped conversations it can be deducted that the suspect and A van D had a quarrel on May 19, 2008 because she didn't come home. Then the suspect picks up her son. From wiretapped conversations it can be derived that the suspect said to his friend that this is his only trump card and that the suspect is planning to go with her son to Belgium and to stay with her son a couple of days at an acquaintance’s place. In a conversation with this man in Belgium the suspect says that he has a woman who ran away and that he now has taken her son to scare her. The suspect also says in that conversation to do something strange with her son but that he's not going to do that.&lt;br /&gt;A van D has testified that she lives together with the suspect, that the suspect makes use of the money that she earned and that in the past she was beaten multiple times by him and always on places where the injury is not visible. He also threatens in cryptic words that he would do something to her son. She reports to the police that the suspect has taken her son away from her. She declares that she feels threatened and unsafe and that in the past the suspect has beaten her multiple times with objects, including a baseball bat.&lt;br /&gt;From telephone conversations on May 19, 2008 it turns out that the suspect says the following to:&lt;br /&gt;-to A van D: don't act as if I'm stupid. I come there and break your whole cancerous set of teeth. […] You are a dirty sufferer of cancer. I will slaughter you.&lt;br /&gt;-To the mother of A van D: haha … If I get her into my hands now… I will cut her open completely. What did you think of that mamas?&lt;br /&gt;On May 19, 2008 A van D says to [name 12]: I can't go home, because I will be beaten up like the last time.&lt;br /&gt;A message on March 27, 2008 from A van D to the suspect reads:&lt;br /&gt;you are thrilled when you hit me with a bat… You must do that to other whores whom you cheat … But you don't do it with them because you know that if you hit me I'll do nothing and I also don't go away because I have nothing .. You have me in your grasp like a tyrant.. You are like Hitler but then ten times worse.&lt;br /&gt;After appeal the suspect was acquitted of forcing A van D into prostitution. But he again was convicted of breaking the ulna of her arm. On November 26, 2008 the suspect was arrested around 06.30 in a house. She was also present there. She told the police officers that earlier on the suspect had broken her ulna and that the baseball bat that was used for that lied in the kitchen. She testified that he found out that she was befriended with M O A and that's why she was maltreated by the suspect with a baseball bat. She also said that she couldn't work anymore because of the injury and that's why the girlfriend of T D could take over her workroom in Utrecht for six weeks. She didn't dare to report the suspect to the police. She did explain extensively about how he maltreated her in general and how he threatened her, and she also told about the incident with the baseball bat. She said that she got to know M O A in the nightlife and that they exchanged telephone numbers. Half August the suspect read a SMS message from M O A to her. The suspect became very angry and hit her with a baseball bat. The next morning they went to the hospital together. Her ulna turned out to be broken and her arm had to be put in a cast. Actually her arm had to be operated, but she didn't want that. At the moment of the testimony she couldn't stretch her arm because of that. In the hospital she told that she was drunk and that she fell with her elbow on the stairs.&lt;br /&gt;On several occasions her father has seen bruises on her body. Then on her neck, then on her head or legs. Each time she had excuses that she had bumped into something. In a telephone conversation on November 26, 2008 the suspect says to his brother-in-law that he has not beaten her since one month. This brother-in-law says that she often showed him bruises, once on her arm, once on her leg. She also asked him why she was beaten up so often, she says that she works and she is busy. One witness told to the police that she has seen how he maltreated her. She screamed so badly that it chilled her to the bone.&lt;br /&gt;A van D denies that she is forced by him to work in prostitution. She says that she has a relationship with and that before she first met him she already worked in prostitution. Later on she also denied that he broke her arm with a baseball bat. She said that she had a broken arm because of a robbery.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He also forced another girl into prostitution called [name 2]. After appeal he also seems to be acquitted of that while at first he was convicted of that. She testified that since 1999 she already worked in prostitution in Amsterdam and that she came into contact with the suspect there. She then had a relationship with a man. The suspect told her that if the man became difficult she should phone him. After a quarrel with the man she indeed phoned the suspect. He then picked her up and brought her to a hotel where she stayed for three or four days. In the hotel the suspect told her that she could start working again. He brought her to Amsterdam and also collected her again. After the client left she put money on a certain place. The suspect then came by and took the money with him. Every evening she gave her money to him. That was between 1000 and 1500 guilders per week on average per evening and during the weekend it was between 2000 and 2500 guilders per evening. He gave her her first xtc pill. It became more and more, and she swallowed pills when she started working. He also let her sell pills to clients.&lt;br /&gt;J van O confirms that during the period that she worked herself behind the windows [name 2] also worked behind the windows for the suspect.&lt;br /&gt;On January 15, 2000 suspect is involved in an incident in the house of [name 2]. When the suspect is heard by the police, he testifies that since October 1999 he has a relationship with [name 2] and regularly stays in her home. [Name 14] was also involved in this incident, and declares that the suspect could be very aggressive and that he could threaten [name 2] terribly, she was very afraid of him. [Name 2] declares on January 15, 2000 that she has had a relationship with the suspect for two months and that she ended this relationship on January 1, 2000.&lt;br /&gt;In March 2000 [name 2] she reports the suspect to the police because he has threatened her a day earlier. [Name 2] testifies that she worked five days a week at that time, and he tried to snatch her earned money away from her and if she didn't give him the money he would maltreat her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The suspect also forced yet another girl again into prostitution. Also in this case he was convicted for this at first, but after appeal he was acquitted. The first time [name 3] reported the suspect to the police on December 10, 2004 she declared that she fled for him for whom she was forced to work in prostitution. She slept in the suspect's home after she was taken with him, also later on she slept there. In the house of the suspect also A van D was present, who was the girlfriend of the suspect. The next morning [name 3] went buying clothes with the suspect and A van D. The suspect told [name&amp;nbsp; 3] that she looked bad and that she had to go to the hairdresser first. Next he told her in his house that she had to work in Amsterdam. She didn't want that but she felt such a pressure from him that she had the feeling that it was no use to resist him. In her feeling she had no way to go. At that moment he had snatched her passport from her and she didn't have any money or another place to stay. He then took her together with [name 15] in a BMW to Amsterdam. He bought condoms for her and paid the rent of the window. At the end of the night he went to [name 3] and snatched her earned money. During that period she has worked for approximately two months for the suspect and had to hand over her money to him. During her work helpers and caretakers of the suspect stood before the window where she worked.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 3] slept in a hotel in Amsterdam on the Zeedijk. The hotel costs which were €70 per day were paid by the suspect. At the end of the night the suspect collected her, took her money and brought her to the hotel. She felt like nothing else then a money machine for him. He said to her that if she wanted to work for herself she could buy her passport back for €6000. After a while she fled to France. In the summer of 2004 she returned to the Netherlands because of family problems in France. After working two or three days in prostitution independently she encountered the suspect again and then everything was like it was before. At first he treated her very kindly, he told her that his relationship with A van D was over and said that [name 3] had to work even harder so that he could rent an apartment for her. In this second period she has worked three or four months for the suspect and then fled to the Hague.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 3] also was forced to have sex with suspect, sometimes under the eyes of his friends. He determined her workhours, mostly from 19.00 until 04.00 hours. Even when she was menstruating she had to work. On a bad day her earnings were between 400 and 500 Euros and normally between 500 and 750 Euros per day. Those earnings were taken by the suspect at the end of each workday in her room.&lt;br /&gt;He has beaten her up multiple times. With a trash bin on her birthday, a butt with his head against her eyebrow, after which there was contact with the police, and also one time after she had thrown coffee on [name 5]. That last incident is confirmed in the testimony of [name 5]. [Name 5] has declared that she was taken by the suspect to a house in the Hague and that she spoke with a French-speaking girl that evening. She recognises the French-speaking girl on a photo. That evening [name 5] had a quarrel with [name 3] because it turned out that the suspect wasn't only her boyfriend but also the boyfriend of [name 3]. During the quarrel [name 3] threw hot tea over [name 5] and [name 5] told that to the suspect. Next [name 5] heard that in the room next to her the suspect was beating up [name 3]. [Name 5] heard that [name 3] was screaming very loud and she heard the sound of beatings. Later she saw that [name 3] was sitting in the room while crying. [Name 5] knew that [name 3] was working in prostitution because later on she saw [name 3] behind the window on the Stoofsteeg in Amsterdam.&lt;br /&gt;On July 31 in 2004 the senior police officer encountered [name 3] at the Oudekennissteeg in Amsterdam with two black eyes in the presence of the suspect. Later on the senior police officer had a chat with [name 3] and she told him that she was more or less coerced but she was very afraid and the black eyes were caused by the pimp. She couldn't tell more out of fear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The suspect also forced another girl into prostitution, he was convicted for this at first, but after appeal he seems to have been acquitted of this. [Name 7] got to know suspect in the nightlife in the summer of 2007 when she was 18 years old. He gave her clothes, a new sim card and presents which he paid for and they did pleasant things together. He told her that he was searching for a steady relationship. [Name 7] wanted to leave her home and he offered her to live with him at his place. Next she went to live at his place in the Hague. That same evening he told her that he needed money for his mother and that he wanted to build up something with her and that she then could acquire a driver's license. [Name 7] could then work together with [name 23], who also lived in that house, and the suspect said lots of money can be made in prostitution. [Name 7] had just run away from home and couldn't go back.&lt;br /&gt;The suspect arranged that she could work in Amsterdam. He phoned to ask if there were vacant rooms, he then gave [name 7] the telephone number and then she phoned to the prostitution business and reserved a room. In the car the suspect gave her money for the rent of the room and explained to her which price she should ask to the clients. [Name 7] wasn't allowed to speak to the other girls. At the end of the first day he came to pick her up. She had earned €300 and had to give it to him. He would give that to his mother who had to go to Morocco. [Name 7] felt that she had to give the money to him because now she lived in his house.&lt;br /&gt;She has worked in prostitution for four days. In those days she earned between €3000 and €4000 and gave it all to the suspect plus a part of her savings. The day after she decided to go away. The first time that she wanted to leave, she got a slap in the face with the flat of his hand. The next day or a couple of days later she still left anyway and then the suspect followed her with a baseball bat until [name 21] intervened.&lt;br /&gt;[Name 10] testified that she sat in a car in which also the suspect was sitting and that he left the car in Maassluis. A short while later he came back to the car with a Turkish girl. The girl was named [name]. She carried a couple of bags with her. The suspect asked [name 10] to keep an eye on her because he didn't want that she phoned with other boys and she wasn't supposed to know that he had another girlfriend.&lt;br /&gt;Furthermore the witness called [name 13] confirms that [name 7] has worked for the suspect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The suspect was convicted of trying to force A van der H into prostitution, he was also convicted after appeal. She got to know him during nightlife. He was then 30 years old, she was only 17 years old. She then knew him for three years. She was attracted to the suspect. She had a sexual relationship with him and she believed she was his girlfriend. That's also what he said to her. And she wasn't allowed to mix with other boys or go out (in the nightlife). He said that he had no money, wanted to earn money quickly, to have a shared future together and wanted to become old with her. He started to talk about prostitution. He said that she had to buy condoms. She received a couple of telephone numbers to arrange a prostitution room in Amsterdam. She then phoned a number and arranged a room. Next the suspect phoned her and said that he would pick her up within an hour. He also said that she should carry attractive lingerie with her. Next he collected her at her house and drove her with his BMW to Amsterdam. He knew exactly where he should be and dropped her off at the corner. He gave her money for the rent of the workroom. When she walked to the room, he phoned her and said to her that she did it for their shared future and that she must think about that and about the money and not about the men. When the suspect collected her later the only thing he asked was: "do you have money?". Finally she burst into tears in the rented prostitution room and she didn't receive clients. When the suspect heard this in his car, he totally freaked out.&lt;br /&gt;She testified the following: "approximately a year ago [suspect] (the court understands in each case: the suspect) spoke with me for the first time about prostitution. He told me he had no money and that we would grow old together. He wanted to make money quickly. He told me that I should do this for our future. I don't know how he did it, I loved him. [Suspect] then ordered me to arrange a (prostitution) room in Amsterdam. After I had arranged to room, he phoned me and said that he came to pick me up. He dropped me off on the corner and when I walked to that room, he phoned me. He told me once more that I must think about us. During sex I mustn't think about those men, but about the money. In the room I could only cry. I also didn't really stand there. After that he brought me to Amsterdam one more time. Then I also didn't work."&lt;br /&gt;SMSes have been wiretapped by the police. It turns out that on May 16, 2008 she lets him know that she will work the next day and she asks him: "are you going to bring me and will you pick me up then you can see for yourself that I really go". Then he answers: "I will not pick you up the first time phone me but if you have worked and bring me the money". On May 19, 2008 he lets her know that she has until Friday the time to do what she has to do or else he will go loose and fuck with others.&lt;br /&gt;When she then asks him if he could bring her he answers that he brought her the last time but that the first time she allegedly bought a present for her father, the second time his money and that she had used up what she had earned and the third time did it with a Moroccan. He tells her that if she gladly wants to see him she should do that first and that he then wants to see her because if she has done it on a given moment then she has money and then she can bring it to him.&lt;br /&gt;On May 21, 2008 he sends her an SMS that in Amsterdam a place is certainly free.&lt;br /&gt;On June 15, 2008 he sends her an SMS: I won't collect you, you go yourself and come back yourself and you bring the money to me...&lt;br /&gt;When he threatens to leave her she lets him know on June 20, 2008 that "I say I do want it but I do it against my liking because I don't lose you, you understand", after which he reacts: "but you still didn't do it".&lt;br /&gt;At the end she didn't do it. But he was convicted for this accusation anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He was convicted for other crimes aside of prostitution as well. Once he maltreated a woman who was driving not quickly enough. He hit her in the face, her nose piercing was slammed out. And her hand was hit, which just before was medically treated. He also raped a girl using GHB. He got a five-year jail sentence, also after the appeal when he was acquitted of many accusations.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-2786059681640700032?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/2786059681640700032/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=2786059681640700032' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/2786059681640700032'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/2786059681640700032'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/10/nino.html' title='Nino'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-4445976330651818448</id><published>2011-10-12T17:20:00.002+02:00</published><updated>2012-01-23T21:09:52.585+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Women for sale</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's a new book out called &lt;em&gt;vrouwen te koop&lt;/em&gt; written by Maria Genova, and published in 2011. It's a book written in the Dutch language. The title of the book means women for sale. The book is not an eye-opener. But it lifts some tips of the veil. Maria Genova is a Bulgarian woman. So she can speak to Bulgarian language very well. She was able to speak to some Bulgarian window prostitutes. So I think I know a little more about Bulgarian prostitutes now. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A couple of years ago she wrote another book about prostitution. It was called &lt;em&gt;man is stoer, vrouw is hoer&lt;/em&gt; (man is tough, woman is whore). In the book she describes her experiences with a Ukrainian woman who was married to a Turkish pimp. The Ukrainian woman didn't work in prostitution herself, but her husband had some Eastern European women who worked for him in window prostitution in the Netherlands. But initially while migrating to the Netherlands she did end up in the hands of human traffickers. When she arrived in the Netherlands she was locked up with the other women who travelled with her. A woman walked in and told them what working as a prostitute meant. They were taught their first Dutch sentence. It was: "pijpen, neuken, vijftig gulden", which means: "blowjob, fucking, fifty guilders". The woman told them that she was locked up herself for a month in the house of the boss. She said you get used to the work. The women were supposed to work on the Achterdam in Alkmaar. The pimp arranged rooms there. Suddenly the pimp decided to sell them to German pimps, but he didn't know he was wiretapped by the police. The German pimps were going to look at the women. They had to undress to be inspected, and from other women she heard that dildos were tested on them. One girl told that she couldn't sleep the whole night because her behind was stretched up badly, and she was raped in many positions. The day after they were rescued by the police. Later on the Ukrainian woman met the Turkish pimp Imrat&amp;nbsp;C whom she later married. That's a wholly different story. He had women working in Amsterdam and Alkmaar behind the windows. According to one prostitute he had twenty women working for him, that makes him a very big pimp, comparable to Saban B. I think I will tell about him in later posts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maria Genova delved deeper into the world of prostitution. So here we have a new book (women for sale). After her previous book was published she received a lot of e-mails from victims of forced prostitution. She came into contact with a girl called Cindy (she is actually &lt;a href="http://www.levennaeenloverboy.nl/"&gt;Sweetmizzy&lt;/a&gt;, who wrote extensively about the case on her website). Two and a half years earlier she escaped from her pimp. He and his brothers were nearly all active as pimp on the Wallen in Amsterdam (I guess he belongs to that gang of the Judo case). She tells that when clients made trouble she pushed on the alarm button. A couple of times she was rescued by Saban B. Saban was very cruel towards his girls. But for her and her pimp he had respect. She believes that perhaps that is the case because the network of her pimp was just as large and violent (with respect to using guns). Cindy and the other girls called Saban "gorilla" because he was an anabolic steroid freak. She says: "when I called for his help, then most of the time he took the difficult client by his shoulders and easily put him down outside. Saban got a lot of attention in the media and was depicted as one of the most cruel pimps. The strange thing is that on the Wallen much bigger pimps walked around, whom Saban was clearly afraid of, but they were apparently never arrested. They often were these conspicuous types with big golden chains. Mind you that I didn't have the idea that the police could protect me. Sometimes I pushed the alarm button in my workroom and then it took twenty min before the cops came looking. Every now and then they didn't show up at all."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cindy didn't have the idea that the police cared about her personal problems. She explains: "mind you that we were all girls of pimps. When the woman didn't have a pimp, then she was abused in another way. I estimate that 97% of all whores do this work out of sheer necessity. There are only a few who consciously choose for it. Personally I didn't see one who worked for herself. They say they did, but if you eavesdropped on their telephone conversations, you knew that it wasn't. I have seen girls that were so ripped up and wounded from underneath because of all the these rapes that their genitals were totally unrecognisable. I also got acquainted with women who were anally fucked to shreds in such a way, that they couldn't keep their crap inside. During busy periods you sometimes get fifteen clients in eight hours time. When you don't see yourself as a woman anymore, but as a piece of meat, then you are lost in the system."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When Cindy was asked to report her pimps to the police, she didn't have any idea how big this case was. She explains: "I tried to protect my ex the whole time. Only when I read back my testimony, it fell on its place. He had abused me just as well as other pimps abused their women. Only when I read it in black and white, I thought: I didn't experience it that way, but still it is true. He has exploited me for years and earned tons of money from me. That's perhaps the worst of trafficking in women: the pimps brainwash you long enough until you believe that you can't do nothing else than this work and that it is actually your own choice."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Actually she didn't plan to report her boyfriend to the police. She was summoned by the police to testify something about a couple of other pimps. She says: "the strange thing is that at that moment she didn't regard herself as a victim. I believe that there are a lot of victims who don't realise that, who push back their frontiers more and more to satisfy their man". But she knows why eventually she took him to court: because he took her baby away. She was able to save her second child, but emotionally she was very damaged.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She was forced by him to remove her first baby. She didn't want that. She fled to a shelter. Her boyfriend lured her to him with the story that he had thought about it and that they would buy clothes together for the baby. And then hell started again. He was very angry that she didn't work as a prostitute anymore and that she didn't earn money. Then he locked her up for a whole weekend. She didn't have any choice. She would have been transported to Morocco to abort the pregnancy in the last phase if necessary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cindy was the only one who dared to report him to the police. Two other women who were exploited by the family also had to appear before the judge, but they testified under oath that they worked voluntarily and that they gave their earned money voluntarily to the men. Cindy explains that she has seen herself how these women were beaten and kept under control.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maria Genova also met Frits Rouvoet. Since three years he helps prostitutes on the Wallen together with his sister-in-law. Frits wants to introduce her to three Bulgarian women who already work in prostitution for a while. Frits explains: "I dare to say that nearly all women do this work forced. Sometimes they come voluntarily, because golden mountains were promised, but those golden mountains all disappear into the pockets of the pimps. During the last years he saw an awful lot of misery. Robin, a girl aged 21, for whom he was a sort of father figure, hanged herself after her escape. She couldn't cope with the fact that her pimps denied everything. Right before that she had a talk with a psychologist who could do nothing with her emotions. She had to return to her room to cool down. She became cold for always."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maria Genova and Frits walked to the place where the three Bulgarian women work. The women seem happy to see Frits. He tells them that Maria can speak the Bulgarian language. A Bulgarian prostitute called Roemjana tells that she doesn't do this work for fun, but it is better than to hold your hand up. She tells that in this work you learn a lot about life, but also about yourself. She never wants to be financially dependent anymore on a man. She would rather work a couple of years as a whore, then she will open her own business and then she can fend for herself. Maria asks if she has saved enough. Roemjana smiles. She finds it a difficult question. She must admit that she has underestimated it a little bit. To start working in prostitution is easier than to stop. You get easily used to the money and you get easily used to the job. And whether you work for a longer or a shorter while, you have a stigma anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When Maria asks where they come from the women suddenly clam up. They only name the province. Only later she learns why. It turns out that all three come from Sliven, a small city in the East of Bulgaria, known for its flourishing traffic in women. Roemjana and her friends assure her that in their case there is no coercion. They ask her how she could possibly believe that they would go to the Netherlands without preparation. Right at that moment a girl knocks on the window. She is clearly a Roma gypsy. In broken Bulgarian she ask where she could ask for a room. Roemjana asks if she has the necessary papers. The girl says that she has a passport and asks if that isn't enough. The Bulgarian women are surprised. "A passport! You don't think that is enough? You must have an address registration and also register at the Chamber of Commerce." The girl says that she has no money and asks how she must arrange this. The Bulgarian women answer: "what? How in God's name have you ended up here? Who made you believe that you could rent a room here just like that?" The girl enters the room. The girl is named Selma. Roemjana asks how Selma got here and why she has no money. Selma answers that she has spent her last money on a train ticket. A girlfriend told her that she could make a lot of money in the Netherlands in prostitution. They ask her how she wants to do that and where she sleeps. She sleeps on the street. "On Street? My God. How do you want to get an address registration?" Selma doesn't know. She met somebody here who told her that a window could also be arranged without registration.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Frits wants to offer Selma a place to stay. Roemjana says: "so you were right after all. Nice that you want to help her." Once outside that turns out to be easier said than done. On the corner stands a man waiting for Selma. It seems that she didn't go to the Netherlands on her own. With a man she can't go to a shelter and she chooses to stay with him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maria Genova was phoned by a Bulgarian girlfriend. Velina discovered a hairdresser's saloon a hundred meters from the Achterdam in Alkmaar. The Achterdam is a red light district. This hairdresser's saloon is managed by Bulgarians and all pimps and prostitutes come there as client. Velina proposes to Maria that she could go undercover there. Maria decides to do it and let her hair cut there. They meet a Bulgarian prostitute outside the hairdresser's saloon. They ask her if she earns a little. She answered that sometimes she does, sometimes she doesn't. She says she also moonlights in the hotel opposite the station. Maria notices that prostitution isn't allowed in hotels. The prostitute says: "you don't believe that somebody checks that, hey? Only once I had an extensive conversation with the police. It turned out they knew I had a Turkish pimp. The police offered me protection in exchange for reporting him to the police." Maria and Velina asked what happened then. "Nothing obviously. You don't believe that I will trust that they will protect me? I believe they don't know themselves whom they have to deal with. Those pimps are very powerful." The prostitute asks Velina from which city she comes. Velina comes from Sliven, the prostitute reacts with recognition. Velina says that in her city the pimps simply kidnap the girls on the street to bring them into prostitution. The prostitute wonders why they still kidnap the girls, don't they have enough women that they can simply make believe that you can become very rich in prostitution? Velina says that not so long ago the 15-year-old daughter of a girlfriend disappeared. A week later she was found in a village in a house full of camera's. The girl was ready for departure to the Netherlands, all her documents were in order.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maria goes into the hairdresser's saloon with Velina. The beautiful girl's hair is done, curls are put into her hair. A man walks around nervously in the saloon. He asks the girl when she is ready. In the Bulgarian language she answers: "you do want me to be beautiful?" He answers: "yes, but you're busy for such a long time. I lose my patience. You must go to work." When the girl is ready, the pimp pays the bill and they leave towards her workroom. Then Maria's hair is going to be done. Another girl takes place at another hairdresser. Dessi also works in prostitution. She says she doesn't do it for the fun of it. She knows no woman who does it for the fun of it. She says she you get used to the work and over time it goes into your blood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maria also comes into contact with a vice detective. He tells that he sees nearly all pimps who he brings to court back in the red light district. The law prohibits him from actively observing them, even if he is almost certain that they are trafficking in women again. That's what the pimps also know, so they have free play. He has spoken with many hundreds of prostitutes. He suspects that between seventy and eighty percent is in one way or the other a victim of human trafficking. In the most extreme case they are maltreated daily, locked in and exploited. But there are also girls who don't realise that for their boyfriend it's all about the money and that this has nothing to do with love. When the girl is in prostitution long enough, they start to see it as a free choice, he explains.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maria Genova also met a Bulgarian prostitute on the Wallen. She tells that she came to the Netherlands because her mother suddenly died and she had to leave the house. She has a child aged six and cannot see how without working in prostitution she can give her daughter a good future. She works very hard, in two shifts. She rents a room for €260 a day. Aside from that she has to pay €1000 per month for the house where she sleeps. With confidence she says that she works without a pimp. A niece of her helped her to go to Amsterdam and to register at the Chamber of Commerce. Her niece has worked in forced prostitution for a while herself. Because her niece knew that she had no house she offered her her help. She says that she has little contact with the new girls who come working here. If they are forced she believes they will tell nobody.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maria Genova names a lot more examples in her book. It gives you a very bad impression about Dutch prostitution. I hope for a while this works for me. Good thing is that the weather is very bad. It is no fun to walk in a red light district while it is cold and raining. If you must believe the experiences of Maria, then there is no voluntarily prostitute. Either way they are coerced to do this, and if they aren't they hate their job. I hope that I have learned my lesson. But I am very forgetful. I have to learn again and again. I hope I get serious.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16097574-4445976330651818448?l=fleshtrade.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/feeds/4445976330651818448/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16097574&amp;postID=4445976330651818448' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/4445976330651818448'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16097574/posts/default/4445976330651818448'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2011/10/women-for-sale.html' title='Women for sale'/><author><name>Donkey</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-1188953417306691141</id><published>2011-10-07T18:37:00.001+02:00</published><updated>2011-12-15T15:55:07.141+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Baekelandplein</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2006/01/index.html"&gt;Main&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'll just continue. With a new file from rechtspraak.nl. The LJN number is BQ5633. I find this case interesting. I think a libertarian wouldn't have any problems with it. The girl has financial troubles. A man proposes that she could work in prostitution. She agrees. He wants half of the money. She agrees. It's all consensual, until she wants to stop.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BQ5633"&gt;http://www.rechtspraak.nl/ljn.asp?ljn=BQ5633&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The report of the crime done by [involved person 1], meaning so far - soberly represented - the following:&lt;br /&gt;When the relationship was over with [involved person 4], somewhere in May 2007 [suspect] (the court understands: suspect) phoned me one day. [Suspect] asked how I was doing. He showed interest in me. I told that I missed [involved person 4] a lot. I also told that I was very sad about this, that I felt miserable and that I isolated myself. I told that for a moment I lost meaning in life. A week later he called me again and showed interest again in how I was doing. I told [suspect] that in the meantime I had substantial arrears of rent. I told that I had another week to pay my arrears of rent and that I had a lot of stress. I told that I had a headache and that I didn't know any more. I asked [suspect] if he could help me. [Suspect] asked if I have never thought about working behind the window. I asked him what he meant. [Suspect] told me that he would come to me and that he would talk to me for a while. [Suspect] came around 18.30 to me. He told me that behind the window meant having sex for money. At that moment I had debts of €2500. I had also told that to [suspect]. I have explained to [suspect] exactly how my financial situation was and where exactly I had the debts.&lt;br /&gt;On Sunday in May my landlord came to me. He told me that I still had two days to pay €220 of debts. I didn't know where to get the money in two days time. Nobody could help me however. I then had to do something, or else I would be thrown on the streets on Tuesday. I was completely broken, I really didn't know what to do anymore. I was very frightened that I would be thrown on the streets. In dire necessity I phoned [suspect].&lt;br /&gt;Then that same Sunday I phoned to [suspect]. I still know that I said: "I'll do it". [Suspect] started to talk about the Baekelandplein in Eindhoven. He explained to me that I could work there. [Suspect] told me that he would collect me in two hours. He told me that I had to bring beautiful lingerie and beautiful shoes. This in case there was a vacant place and I could work there immediately.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] stopped in front of my door, called on my gsm that he was there and I stepped in his car.&lt;br /&gt;After arriving at the square in Eindhoven [suspect] stepped out. [Suspect] told me that he knew a house where probably a place was free where I could sit and work as a prostitute. He told me that he would ask there if this still was free.&lt;br /&gt;After approximately 5 minutes [suspect] came back to the car and he told me that a place was free for me at building number 16. I stepped out and walked to the house together with [suspect]. [Suspect] and I walked to number 16 and a girl opened the door. Inside this girl introduced herself as [involved person 5] (the court understands: [involved person 5]). [Involved person 5] told me that the rent cost €100. [Suspect] then gave that girl €100. In the car he had also told me that he would pay the rent. I asked [suspect] if I had to pay that back. He then told me that I didn't have to pay that back, that I first had to bring my own life in order.&lt;br /&gt;I went to the room behind the window and I went to sit in a chair. When I sat there for a moment, [suspect] phoned me. He asked me how things went. [Suspect] had already told me in the car that he would collect me around 02.00. He had told me earlier already that he would bring and collect me every day.&lt;br /&gt;Around 24.00 [suspect] phoned again to ask how things went. [Suspect] said "I mean how are things going on the square". I then said that I already had a couple of customers. He asked me how much I had earned. I said that I had earned €400.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] phoned me that he was there. I stepped into the car. [Suspect] asked how much I had earned and I said €400. He brought me home.&lt;br /&gt;The next day I was phoned by [suspect]. [Suspect] told me that I had to go to the station in Den Bosch and that he would collect me there. After arriving at the station I saw [suspect] sitting in his car. I stepped in and [suspect] brought me to Eindhoven. He drove me to the Baekelandplein.&lt;br /&gt;I then started to work. [Suspect] has phoned me that evening a couple of times. He phoned me then with the questions if it was busy, if I had earned a lot already, how things were going there.&lt;br /&gt;That night around two o'clock I stopped working. [Suspect] then brought me home.&lt;br /&gt;So it went on the coming period. [Suspect] brought and collected me from work.&lt;br /&gt;When I worked approximately one or two months here, I told to [suspect] that I gladly wanted to stop working to go on vacation. [Suspect] told me that if I wanted to go on vacation that then I had to give him half of the money I had earned. [Suspect] had told me earlier already that as soon as I had my finances in order, I had to give him money. [Suspect] found that he was entitled to half of my earnings because he meant so much to me during the last months. He told me that he had arranged that I could make money now. He told that he had arranged the room on the Baekelandplein. He told that he had always brought and collected me from work. He told that he was the only friend that I still had and that I didn't have anybody anyway. At that moment I indeed didn't have other friends or people on which I could fall back on.&lt;br /&gt;I actually didn't want to give my money. [Suspect] told that he had to have half of the money and that he otherwise would make sure that I couldn't work here anymore. [Suspect] was a very big man for me. I felt he indeed could arrange all this.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] wanted half of the money and if I didn't give him that then I had to stop with the work. I started to panic. I understood that I had to give [suspect] that money, or else I didn't have work anymore and I would financially become broke again.&lt;br /&gt;From then on I gave all my money to him after each workday. I have done that for approximately 2 weeks. [Suspect] also came by very often at my workplace. I then let him in and took him upstairs. When upstairs he wanted my money. He then asked me how much I had earned and took this with him.&lt;br /&gt;After giving all my money to [suspect] for approximately 2 weeks I didn't want this anymore. From that moment on I gave half of my money to [suspect]. [Suspect] did tell me however that I had to work hard.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] said that I had to work hard, because I earned more money in that case. He also told me that I had to lose weight. I then would be more beautiful and get more clients. [Suspect] also told me that I had to put on black lingerie because I then would attract more attention. I also wasn't allowed to take a weekend off or something. I simply had to work six days a week. I did all he asked me, at least almost all. I did this because I was afraid of him. I was afraid of him because he could curse very well. He used good words to frighten somebody. He said: "I'll get you out from the work. That he knew enough people to say what kind of work I did". He said that he knew my family members and that he could tell them what kind of work I did. He told that he could very easily say where my family lived. I found this pretty scary.&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] phoned me regularly to hear if I was working and if it wasn't so he said that I had to work. Else I would miss clients. [Suspect] sometimes also walked with a friend on the square. I have also seen once there he entered another girl's room. [Suspect] also told me that there was another girl on the square that kept an eye on me. I became stressed even more because of that, because I was supervised to check if I did my work properly.&lt;br /&gt;On September the 15th and 16th in 2007 I went away for a weekend with the one who was my boyfriend at the time [name] to my parents. I had asked to [suspect] if I could take a weekend off. I always had to ask permission to be free. I was allowed by [suspect] to go away a weekend but I had to promise to be back in time on Monday.&lt;br /&gt;I then took the decision for myself not to pay [suspect] anymore. I was quite afraid to tell it to [suspect].&lt;br /&gt;On September the 17th 2007 I got an SMS from [suspect] with the text: "hey be on time today hey don't say quarrel on whatever that be okay". (Note from officers taking the interview: the woman who reports the crime shows us this SMS)&lt;br /&gt;On September the 18th 2007 on 00.30 I got the next SMS from [suspect]: "I'm fucking angry today including also €150 extra okay and if you say no then it becomes 250". [Suspect] meant with this that I had to give €150 extra because I started too late this Monday. I was afraid of [suspect]. I then also didn't work a couple of days. I was afraid that suddenly he would stand before the window. I was terrified of him.&lt;br /&gt;On September the 19th I got the next SMS from [suspect]: "I still want to have that 160". That would have been half of my earned money and I sent an SMS back that I didn't have that money anymore. After that I got the following SMS back from him: "what it is used up those were mine I want them next week or so ok not now". I sent an SMS back that he must leave me alone and that otherwise I could go to the police.&lt;br /&gt;On September the 19th 20.15 hours I got the following SMS back from [suspect]: "don't threaten me. You know how I am. Those were mine do you hear me. Fucking 160 don't make it hard for 160 I have helped you fucking often I must have those".&lt;br /&gt;Still that day I got several threatening SMSes back from [suspect], namely:&lt;br /&gt;"do it and I'll go to your friends if you think they are friends you know I'm afraid of nobody I want my 160 next week".&lt;br /&gt;"OK do it difficult as you like for €160 you'll get regrets from this I don't".&lt;br /&gt;"Then go to the police as you like I want to have my 160 even if you go to heaven I'll come to get my money remember that".&lt;br /&gt;I felt it like a threat.&lt;br /&gt;On September the 20th I went to the police. That Thursday I have told [involved person 6] (the brothel owner) that I had to hand over half of my money to [suspect]. That same day I went to the police together with [involved person 6].&lt;br /&gt;[Suspect] forced me to hand over half of my earned money to him. I felt forced and I've tried to explain to you what caused that. [Suspect] just had a lot of power over me in my feeling. I was also in a vulnerable position because of my debts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. the testimony of [involved person 1], meaning so far - soberly represented - the
