Saturday, March 27, 2010

All sex is prostitution, all prostitution is oppression

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In the meantime I have read hundreds of book about prostitution. Quite naturally I came across the books of radical feminists who are staunchly against prostitution. One of the books I read was ‘The idea of prostitution’ written by Sheila Jeffreys in 1997. I find this book very special. I read it once years ago, and I somehow became addicted to it. Every once in a while I just grab the book and open a random page as many people do with the bible or the Quran. It is very hypnotizing, a piece of art. Everytime you discover something new.

I'm not negative about radical feminism, although I watch pornography and sometimes visit a prostitute or chat with a camgirl. Radical feminists are angry. They clearly show their shock when women are abused. People who support prostitution or pornography rarely seem to be shocked. Everything goes as long as a woman consents, no matter what kind of horror happens to her. Radical feminists seem very humane. I miss that anger in people who support the sex industry.

Sheila Jeffrey's book doesn’t contain much information about prostitution and prostitutes themselves, usually this information is related to some research about street prostitution. Unfortunately Sheila Jeffreys doesn't seem to approach prostitutes on her own, which she had ample time to do. Actually, the most fascinating thing about the book is how she describes sexuality. She tells about things in her book where I never thought about. All in all, what it boils down to, is that there is nothing natural about sexuality. Although it seems to be in the animal kingdom, the influence of culture in human beings is too big to call it natural in human beings. So for instance, in Jeffrey’s opinion, prostitution can never be called ‘just sex’ this way. Jeffreys cites Kate Millett who wrote in her book Sexual Politics in 1972: “Coitus can scarcely be said to take place in a vacuum; although of itself it appears a biological and physical activity, it is set so deeply within the larger context of human affairs that is serves as a charged microcosm of the variety of attitudes and values to which culture subscribes. Among other things, it may serve as a model of sexual politics on an individual and personal plane.”

What Sheila Jeffreys basically tells is that sexuality is a way for men to subjugate and gain power over women. There is a massive propaganda campaign going on to send messages out how people should have sex. She is especially critical of sexology. She refers (on page 37) to Thomas Szasz according to which the science of sexology is simply a branch of the sex industry which gives the imprimatur of science to the practices of the industry. And according to Stephen Marcus sexology incorporates the values and methods of pornography. She says (on page 228) that:
It is in the act of intercourse that women’s subjugation to man must be clearly established. Women’s failure to make obeisance to male power in the act is interpreted as resistance. (…) In my books The Spinster and Her Enemies and Anticlimax, I showed the great political significance accorded to the act of sexual intercourse in the works of sexologists throughout the twentieth century. Sexologists from Havelock Ellis to Alex Comfort have been concerned that sexual intercourse should take place in the correct male-dominant form, and with sufficient frequency to ensure the efficient reproduction of male dominance in the marital relationship. But they were concerned with the construction of sexual pleasure too. The woman, in sexual intercourse, must not just be penetrated, but be swept away in a delicious submission to the will of her master and mate. The experience of female orgasm was supposed to signify and effect the woman’s subjection. For this reason sexologists remained in a high state of anxiety for decades about women’s resistance in celibacy, lesbianism, frigidity, lack of enthusiasm, for such women remained unconquered.
With horror Jeffreys quotes the sexologist August Forel on page 199:
Her smaller stature and strength, together with her passive role in coitus, explain why she aspires to a strong male support. This is simply a question of natural phylogenetic adaption. This is why a young girl sighs for a courageous, strong and enterprising man, who is superior to her, whom she is obliged to respect, and in whose arms she feels secure. (from The sexual Question: A scientific, Psychological, Hygienic and Sociological Study, 1910)
Another interesting quote from pages 262-263:
Women are not free and equal individuals in making marriage or relationship contracts or in giving consent (Jeffeys, 1993). The force which has operated on them all their lives and continues to operate on them all their lives and continues to operate on them within marriages and relationships remains largely invisible. This force consists partly of economic constraints. In the survey of male sexuality by Shere Hite (1981[,the Hite report on male sexuality]), men share their strategies for forcing an unwilling woman to submit to sexual intercourse, one of which was economic blackmail. The coercion consists of simple bad temper as well as physical violence, and all those forces which have worked upon a girl and woman in her life to persuade her that she must be attached to a man to have value and that she has little right to bodily integrity. Such forces include the massive industry of sexology, sex therapy, sex advice literature, all of which make women feel guilty and inadequate for unwillingness to fulfil a man’s sexual desires. They include sexual abuse in childhood, which can train girls to have a concept of self-worth based simply on the sexual use of their bodies, and harassment on the street and at work. They include subtler forms of harassment in the family and at school, which simply make a girl feel less important than a male. How else, apart from the use of force, are we to understand why a whole class of people, women, allow access to their bodies which can be undesired, painful, even humiliating, on a routine basis, often with no consciousness that it would be reasonable or possible to resist.
Nicola Gavey’s research in New Zealand was based on interviews with women who are “articulate, educated, middle class” about what several saw as “very ordinary” experiences of sex with men. Her work shows these kinds of pressures in operation and demonstrates that these women find it hard to resist unwanted sex. One woman explained the controlling power of anger: “Things like actually being called a fucking bitch and having the door slammed. And trying always to explain that it didn’t mean that I didn’t care because I didn’t want to have sex, but never ever succeeding” (Gavey, 1993, p. 109[Technologies and Effects of Heterosexual Coercion. In Wilkinson and Kitzinger (1993), Heterosexuality: A Feminist and Psychological Reader]). Another talks of giving in simply to get some sleep. The women describe a variety of pressures that made it impossible for them to say no. Gavey concludes from her interviews that women are “sometimes not aware of consent and non-consent as distinct choices” (ibid, p. 116). The sort of men who use women this way, it must be reasonable to surmise, are those who find it acceptable to use women in prostitution.
Sheila Jeffreys also quotes Catharine MacKinnon (page 233) who criticises pornography:
From the testimony of the pornography, what men want is: women bound, women battered, women tortured, women humiliated, women degraded and defiled, women killed. Or to be fair to the soft core, women sexually accessible, have-able, there for them, wanting to be taken and used, with a little light bondage. Each violation of women―rape, battery, prostitution, child sexual abuse, sexual harassment―is made sexuality, made sexy, fun, liberating of women’s true nature in the pornography (from towards a feminist Theory of the State, 1989).
She refers to Kate Millett (on page 249) whose understanding is that "the oppression of women, like other political systems, is held in place by force to include the wide variety of sexual violence that men enact against women. The act and the fear of rape, sexual abuse, sexual murder, sexual harassment, are seen to control women’s movements and behavior, even their clothings and ways of sitting and walking.”

All this is very interesting and it has made me think. Let’s take pornography again. I believe nowadays it is very difficult to defend pornography. Sheila Jeffreys and Catherine MacKinnon are absolutely right here. The world of prostitution is a vague world and I have difficulties to determine what happens in that world, but pornography is out in the open and it is clearly visible what happens in pornography. I you watch a random porn movie, what you will likely see is a guy with a big cock fucking a girl in her ass and then immediately fucking another girl in her mouth. This is called ass to mouth. Pornography nowadays is very degrading, almost violent. There are some porn films which are more friendly, but these are only a very small minority, the mainstream is filthy and degrading. I do regularly watch porn myself but I feel embarrassed about it. It is very hard to admit that I like watching women being sexually tortured and humiliated. It is interesting that for other men probably the same is true. Several polls indicate that basically all men who have access to the internet watch pornography, many daily. It tells me that essentially radical feminists are right, men like women being sexually degraded.

And then something else. During the last years you hear more and more often that most women and men shave their pubic hair. According to a poll among 2000 women (done around 2008) in the Netherlands done by Vrouwonline almost half of the women shave all their pubic hair, and another one third have a so-called landing strip. Only 4,9% don’t cut their pubic hair. This is confirmed by a dermatologist in Santa Monica California USA. "I do full body exams to check for skin cancer, and I can think of almost no female patients who come in with natural pubic hair. Either they have nothing left, or they have a small patch that is two inches by half an inch, but the trend is toward having it all gone." (Skin Deep, The revisited Birthday Suit, The New York Times, by Natasha Singer, September 1, 2005). This is also confirmed by the Dutch family doctor Sylvie Lo Fo Wong who says that below the age group 30-35 nobody has hair in their pubic area, neither male nor female (Niemand wil nog schaamhaar, AD, June 19th 2009). And according to the same source the Dutch gynaecologist Carina Hilders says she rarely sees any woman who has full pubic hair, even the older women.

That’s interesting. Because I wonder why women do that? I for instance don’t shave my pubic hair. Why should I? Nobody sees it!!!! There could be only one explanation in my opinion: women shave their vaginas to please their lovers. Women know their lovers like bald pussies because they know that their lovers often watch … pornography!!!!

It also tells how sexual our society is. That so many women go through such great lengths to every couple of days entirely shave themselves just for the sexual pleasure of their lovers. And that with all the risks attached to shaving your pubic hair, like inflammations and wounds. It is interesting to notice that on discussion forums women don’t say that they do it for sexual reasons. Actually many tell they do it for hygienic reasons. Possibly the shame and humiliation is too big. Also interesting is that women generally dislike pornography, finding it degrading. It must be really difficult for them to watch their sisters being molested on film and then performing the same degrading acts on their boyfriends. It also tells how big the influence of pornography is. Probably, the only sex education many people around the world get is from pornography. The same violent pornography which is discussed above. So Sheila Jeffreys is right on another point, sexuality is a form of violence to subjugate women. Pornography is a tool of propaganda which men and women swallow whole.

Also funny is that women haven't developed their own pornography, they always seem to walk two steps behind men, eventually following them in every way. Women's sexuality is just a vague mirror-image of men's sexuality. Perhaps August Forel is right after all.

So that leads to the following conclusions regarding this website. I’m incapable of finding a girlfriend, so sex is unavailable to me in the regular way, but prostitution was open for me. I noticed that many prostitutes are coerced to do this work so I tried to find voluntary prostitutes that I could have sex with and ways to separate the forced from the voluntary prostitutes. I discovered slowly that this is an impossible task: such a distinction is impossible to make. Basically all prostitution is more or less forced, either way by a pimp or by financial problems. Now for the following, if sex in general is a form of oppression of women, what if I really at one point would find a woman who wants to be my lover????

Then sex really becomes a big problem with the new understanding that I have of sexuality. If I would see my girlfriend naked and also her shaved pussy I would probably tell her that she should stop internally oppress herself and allow her pubic hair to grow back. If she would touch my genitals I would tell her that she shouldn’t be afraid that I find her a big tart if she doesn’t want to have sex with me or perform certain sex acts and that she shouldn’t feel obliged to do anything, and that I’m okay with it. It probably leads to a situation with a flabbergasted girlfriend and no sex.

But actually, how do you have sex with a girl without offending her? Perhaps that you want to fuck her doggystyle and she hates it but goes along with it because she doesn’t want to lose you. Perhaps that you grab her breasts and she feels offended. Or you ask her to show her ass and she complies but internally she hates it to be treated like an object. Another point: what about penis-into-vagina penetrative sex? What I hear and read a lot is that women have few nerve endings inside their vaginas. Only through direct clitoral stimulation can women be sexually stimulated. That basically means that if you fuck a girl in her vagina she probably feels very little. She probably moans and says like: ‘oh go on, don’t stop’, but that is only acting. That means from a male point of view fucking a girl is basically a solo-act, masturbating inside another person’s body. From a female point of view being fucked is basically only just to please him.

So what it boils down to: when you have sex with your girlfriend you probably experience many of the same ethical problems when you have sex with a prostitute. It is all the same: prostitution is bad, pornography is bad, sex is bad. Poor women.

I like to exaggerate here (I'm not a terribly good writer anyway), but perhaps as an end-conclusion: perhaps that sex is really fundamentally about degrading and being degraded. Perhaps that men naturally like to degrade women and perhaps that even women naturally like to be degraded. Take for instance a fascinating article from Psychology Today called Flirting Fascination (from 1999). I'll quote from the text, and I will emphasize where needed:
Flirtation first emerged as a subject of serious scrutiny a scant 30 years ago. Irenaus Eibl-Eibesfeldt, now honorary director of the Ludwig-Bohzmann Institute for Urban Ethology in Vienna, was already familiar with the widespread dances and prances of mate-seeking animals. Then he discovered that people in dozens of cultures, from the South Sea islands to the Far East, Western Europe, Africa and South America, similarly engage in a fairly fixed repertoire of gestures to test sexual availability and interest.

Having devised a special camera that allowed him to point the lens in one direction while actually photographing in another, he "caught" couples on film during their flirtations, and discovered, for one thing, that women, from primitives who have no written language to those who read Cosmo and Marie Claire, use nonverbal signals that are startlingly alike. On Eibl-Eibesfeldt's screen flickered identical flirtation messages: a female smiling at a male, then arching her brows to make her eyes wide, quickly lowering her lids and, tucking her chin slightly down and coyly to the side, averting her gaze, followed within seconds, almost on cue, by putting her hands on or near her mouth and giggling.

Regardless of language, socioeconomic status or religious upbringing, couples who continued flirting placed a palm up on the table or knees, reassuring the prospective partner of harmlessness. They shrugged their shoulders, signifying helplessness. Women exaggeratedly extended their neck, a sign of vulnerability and submissiveness.

For Eibl-Eibesfeldt, these gestures represented primal behaviors driven by the old parts of our brain's evolutionary memory. A woman presenting her extended neck to a man she wants is not much different, his work suggested, than a gray female wolf's submissiveness to a dominant male she's after.

Since then, researchers have turned up the intensity, looking, for example, at compressed bouts of flirting and courtship in their natural habitat-hotel bars and cocktail lounges. From observations at a Hyatt hotel cocktail lounge, researchers documented a set of signals that whisks a just-met man and woman from barroom to bedroom. Her giggles and soft laughs were followed by hair twirling and head-tossing; he countered with body arching, leaning back in the chair and placing his arms behind head, not unlike a pigeon puffing his chest.

If all went well, a couple would invariably progress from touching themselves to touching each other. The first tentative contacts could be termed "lint-picking." She would lift an imaginary mote from his lapel; he would brush a real or imaginary crumb from her lips. Their heads moved closer, their hands pressed out in front of them on the table, their fingers inches from each other's, playing with salt shakers or utensils. Whoops! An "accidental" finger touch, then perhaps some digital "dirty dancing," more touching and leaning in cheek to cheek. By body language alone, the investigators could predict which pairs would ride up the elevators together.

Social psychologist Timothy Perper, Ph.D., an independent scholar and writer based in Philadelphia, and anthropologist David Givens, Ph.D., spent months in dimly lit lounges documenting these flirtation rituals. Like the ear wiggles, nose flicks and back arches that signal "come hither" in rodents, the women smiled, gazed, swayed, giggled, licked their lips, and aided and abetted by the wearing of high heels, they swayed their backs, forcing their buttocks to tilt out and up and their chests to thrust forward.

The men arched, stretched, swiveled, and made grand gestures of whipping out lighters and lighting up cigarettes. They'd point their chins in the air with a cigarette dangling in their mouth, then loop their arms in a wide arc to put the lighter away. Their swaggers, bursts of laughter and grandiose gestures were an urban pantomime of the prancing and preening indulged in by male baboons and gorillas in the wild. Man or monkey, the signals all said, "Look at me, trust me, I'm powerful, but I won't hurt you." And "I don't want anything much... yet."

All the silent swaying, leaning, smiling, bobbing and gazing eventually brought a pair into full frontal alignment. Face to face, they indulged in simultaneous touching of everything from eyeglasses to fingertips to crossed legs. Says Perper, "This kind of sequence-attention, recognition, dancing, synchronization-is fundamental to courtship. From the Song of Songs until today, the sequence is the same: look, talk, touch, kiss, do the deed."

The fact that flirting is a largely nonexplicit drama doesn't mean that important information isn't being delivered in those silent signals. By swaying her hips, or emphasizing them in a form-fitting dress, a flirtatious woman is riveting attention on her pelvis, suggesting its ample capacity for bearing a child. By arching her brows and exaggerating her gaze, her eyes appear large in her face, the way a child's eyes do, advertising, along with giggles, her youth and "submissiveness." By drawing her tongue along her lips, she compels attention to what many biologists believe are facial echoes of vaginal lips, transmitting sexual maturity and her interest in sex. By coyly averting her gaze and playing "hard to get," she communicates her unwillingness to give sex to just anyone or to someone who will love her and leave her.

For his part, by extending a strong chin and jaw, expanding and showing off pectoral muscles and a hairy chest, flashing money, laughing loudly or resonantly, smiling, and doing all these things without accosting a woman, a man signals his ability to protect offspring, his resources and the testosterone-driven vitality of his sperm as well as the tamer side of him that is willing to stick around, after the sex, for fatherhood. It's the behavioral equivalent of "I'll respect you in the morning."
So, perhaps that the sexologists are right after all. Romantic relationships, sex, flirting are all part of domination and submission. Perhaps in this light pornography and prostitution are not strange after all. Perhaps it is natural to assume that men want to signify their domination this way. In that sense, prostitution and pornography are very normal. And indeed there is no difference between fucking your girlfriend or a Romanian debt-bonded coke-addicted prostitute (okay, that was very rude to say, but I'm still very cynical). Radical feminists say that when men visit prostitutes the biggest sexual thrill for them lies in the power that they get when they choose the woman from a line-up. That is absolutely true in my experience, I know that first hand because I visit(ed) prostitutes myself and also chat with camgirls. But, you can't say that prostitution differs this way from non-paid sex. After all, as it has turned out, non-paid sexual relationships are all about power and dominance too!!!

So prostitution, pornography and sex are in a way natural. But not all what is natural is automatically good. Infanticide is natural among gorillas and lions, but that doesn't mean we as human beings should support it.

I feel sorry to say this, because if sex is really all about domination and submission that leads to only one conclusion to me:

MEN AROUND THE WORLD UNITE!!!!!

DO NOT HAVE SEX!!!!!

IT IS ABUSE!!!!!


What a great luck for me that I can't find a girlfriend! For now, I should focus on not visiting sex sites and stopping with masturbating myself.

PS: I took the effort of actually buying and reading the books by field-researchers David Givens ('Love Signals - A Practical Field Guide to the Body Language of Courtship ', 2004) and Timothy Perper ('Sex Signals - The biology of love', 1986). To be honest, about the ideas mentioned in the article quoted above about dominant males and submissive women, I couldn't find them in the books by Perper and Givens. After reading 'Love Signals' I must conclude that both men and women tend to be submissive during courtship. Dominant behaviour could be counterproductive because it could scare people away. And after reading 'Sex Signals' I must conclude that women take the initiative during courtship most of the time. That is a surprise to me because I always thought that women simply waited for a guy to come along, because men are less critical (that's my experience on dating-sites where I both acted as a man and as a woman, I can conclude that you must send 40 messages to women before one responds, while you don't even need a profile as a woman before a man seeks contact!!). On the other hand (I couldn't derive this from the books), it could be that women tend to seek contact with a small group of lucky bastards (the alpha-males), and that the large majority of men are forced to take the initiative first and face dozends of rejections. (So regarding the dating sites, it could be that women seek contact with men most of the time, but they only send messages to a small group of very attractive men, not men like me. And the men send messages more evenly distributed.)

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

Nonpaid sexual relationships are not all the doom and gloom you think they are. It sounds as if you want to convince yourself that you are not so bad in comparison to the average man who doesn't visit prostitutes.
If you stopped wanting to hang around prostitutes and feed your addiction to porn you might find that you could get a girl friend, and you might actually want one. I don't think that you do. You almost delight in the idea of volantary prostitution, but it doesn't really exist.
All punters are abusers, all people who want to and pay to own someone elses body for a while. You should feel shame instead of pretending that you really care. You're not facing that you are ruining someone else's life. You and all those punters collectively. You're no better than them.

Donkey said...

You are absolutely right anonymous, I'm no better. Perhaps that I'm worse. Many punters are unaware of the situation of prostitutes. But I am, and I still abuse.

However, finding a girlfriend is very difficult, especially for men.

An average woman can get a thousand guys if she wants to. Why would a woman choose me out of all those thousands of guys? You must really have the power as a man to dominate a woman in such a way that she chooses you, instead of all the other guys.

Anonymous said...

Women are people. They are not objects. You've got to stop feeling comfortable in treating them as objects. You've got to feel sick to the stomach doing it. You've got to imagine that a prostitute is a person with hopes, dreams, feelings just like yours. You've got to imagine that this person has a soul, and has this one life time. If you stop visiting prostitutes or viewing porn, you'll be more capable of breaking down a psychological barrier that's between you and women.
I'll give you a tip. Find a woman who you truly like or admire, but who you do NOT find sexually attractive. Take things slowly with her. Do fun things together. Go to cultural events, the cinema, etc. Be a real friend, and don't try to sleep with her. Don't mention your involvement with prostitution: it will scare most women. This sort of experience will make you more ready to be a good boyfriend. After all you are more than your penis. You have a soul. You have hopes and dreams. You've got to be kinder to yourself instead of convincing yourself that you are low life and can't do any better.

Donkey said...

You don't understand. I really I severe personal issues. Communicating with people is very problematic for me. It is very difficult for me to have a casual chat with a person, let only with a woman.

However, I notice that very social and popular guys around me have the same problem with women. So, being very social and popular and having a lot of friends doesn't necessarily mean that a man can very easily start a relationship with a woman.

I agree with you that I shouldn't treat people as objects. I'm struggling a lot with myself regardings issues of sex.

I'm working on myself not to have too much negative thoughts. It is difficult, because somehow it feels nice to thinks negatively. Really peculiar.

And also: believe me, I never dated a woman. So even that hurdle is too big for me.

Anonymous said...

I've just re-read your blog entry and I really think (hope) that you are a nice man. I really hope that it's not a sneaky way to get women interested in you. Please excuse me for my sense of mistrust. Don't take it personally, but the world can be a horrible nasty place as the existence of pornography proves.
I think that the problem with visiting prostitutes is that it can desensitize men. I read the comments in your Dutch blog. Those punters don't have a clue. They are so detached from the reality of what they are doing to those women. I really felt like inventing a name, pretending to be a punter, and adding a review of the last prostitute I had visited by calling her "je eigen dochter of moeder." Would it shock those men if I added commentary such as "This woman really does everything you want, so that you'll certainly have it "naar je zin", she doesn't seem bored or uninterested, and you can visit her with a free conscience because she's self-employed with no pimp.
Donkey remember that every time you resist looking at porn or visiting prostitutes, it's a small victory to be rpoud of. Don't feel too bad at moments of weakness- you can still persevere- resolve to try harder next time and go on. You are an obviously intelligent person. And theres real nobility in your revulsion against women's oppression. If you found another interest, and began circulating in different environments you will give yourself a better chance. I really wish you luck.
Be careful of meeting women via this blog. Somebody who feels sorry for you is not a good start to a relationship. I think that you have a lot to offer. I know that it is said that non-verbal communication is 80% of what counts in interaction between people. See if you can go on a course to improve social skills. By the way, there are always people who can see through lack of social skills and respect a person anyway. (I believe that I'm one of those.) I also think that your level of emotional intelligence is good- which is an enormous plus when dealing with women. Try to lessen the addiction. I know it's hard, but I believe that it's an important thing to do BEFORE you meet someone whom you want to be your girlfriend.
I really wish you well.

Anonymous said...

Have you ever read this by Andrea Dworkin?

http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/MichLawJourI.html

Donkey said...

Hey, you are Dutch!!

Yes, I know Andrea Dworkin. Have you read through the studies I mentioned here:
http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2010/03/nurse-sex-workers.html

Now that I know you are Dutch, I'll put links to some Dutch reports that are very interesting, they give a very different view of prostitution. However, it could be that only the prostitutes who are better off were interviewed. These reports make a lone person like me get very confused. If prostitutes are not traumatized and are rarely coerced to do this work and mostly like their work, why not actually visit one? Luckily I'm also too aware of the bad stories:
http://www.amsterdam-sociaal.nl/Downloads/DeAmsterdamseProstitutieMonitor.pdf

http://www.wodc.nl/onderzoeksdatabase/evaluatie-opheffing-bordeelverbod-deelproject-2.aspx

http://www.wodc.nl/onderzoeksdatabase/01.035a-de-sociale-positie-van-prostituees-bij-de-gereguleerde-bedrijven.aspx

Anonymous said...

"Prostitution: what is it? It is the use of a woman's body for sex by a man, he pays money, he does what he wants. The minute you move away from what it really is, you move away from prostitution into the world of ideas. You will feel better; you will have a better time; it is more fun; there is plenty to discuss, but you will be discussing ideas, not prostitution. Prostitution is not an idea. It is the mouth, the vagina, the rectum, penetrated usually by a penis, sometimes hands, sometimes objects, by one man and then another and then another and then another and then another. That's what it is." Andrea Dworkin go on to say "In prostitution no woman stays whole." I believe her. Your links study ideas. You had an idea that if you were a woman, you would have wanted to be a prostitute. And therein lies your lack of being able to empathise. You're discussing ideas but is it right that people do certain things just because they can and just because someone else allows them?
Why do you think that such a large percentage of women have been abused before they enter prostitution? Doesn't that tell you something about "free choice"? Do you believe in kicking someone when they're down? The ones that are initially manipulated romantically by pimps are often of low intelligence or emotionally unstable "labiel."
You mentioned how a compliment gave you such a boost. Have you ever thought how these girls once got a boost from the 'adoring' attention of those disgusting pimps. Punters exploit these same vulnerable people. It's not humane to kick someone when they're down. Paying for sex is a selfish act.
You can run from the truth of your abuse but you can't hide.

Donkey said...

I absolutely agree with you. However, some research is telling us otherwise. Perhaps many prostitutes are unwilling to say what they really think about their clients. I mentioned some quotes by prostitutes over here, which basically mean that nearly all clients are jerks:
http://fleshtrade.blogspot.com/2009/12/harassment.html

I you want to defend prostitution, you can find any research that support your ideas (same is true when you want to attack prostitution).

Do you also know Zondares?
http://zondares.blogspot.com/
She says when having sex with a client, she is treated with more respect than by her boyfriends! In my opinion, that tells something about men in general.

Anonymous said...

By the way, did you read about the first male prostitute in Nevada quitting? He had only 10 punters in 3 months. It was economically unviable.
The simplistic explanation is that women find willing sexual partners easier, but I don't believe it. Lonely women exist too. And women who are less attractive, less socially ept etc. These women didn't do it when they had the chance. Men pretend that they could have a lot of sex per day/week. But I know that men who did that would get sore penises too. Why don't people ever consider that women's body tissues are also damaged by prostitution?

Anonymous said...

Have you read this before?:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/189216/my_mother_was_a_suburban_prostitute.html?cat=38

Donkey said...

Yes, a sad story. I also shows us how big the taboo of prostitution actually is. You have to build up a large facade to keep everybody from knowing what your work is, never being able to tell about your experiences at work, always lying.

And it is indeed still very interesting that women don't visit prostitutes, or rarely. Even disabled women don't let a gigolo come by. As if women aren't really that interested in sex.

The answer to the question why prostitutes don't get sore in their vaginas? Lubricant does do the trick! Ask Zondares about it:
http://zondares.blogspot.com/search?q=glijmiddel

Other tricks are drugs:
http://zondares.blogspot.com/search?q=drugs

According to Zondares some prostitutes use poppers to be able to be fucked harder, or they put some cocaine on their vaginas. I have read many reports about prostitutes using cocaine to make sex easier. However, when you ask prostitutes directly about their use of drugs, a great majority will deny that they use it.