Saturday, December 26, 2009

Zondares

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There were some rumours that the blog of the prostitute described here is made by a female journalist, and that the blog zondares.blogspot.com is actually a hoax. I believed it for a while, but her existence is actually confirmed to me by a client of hers. There are some startling similarities between the ideas of the prostitute and the journalist by the way. Perhaps they share many ideas. [UPDATE AGAIN 1-1-2015: I actually returned to the belief that Zondares' blog is as a matter of fact a hoax. I will write something at the end of this piece in red letters.]

There's a new Dutch prostitute who maintains a blog and she tells some very interesting things. She calls herself Zondares which means female sinner. She has worked in many types of prostitution in the Netherlands. She now works in her apartment where she receives her client. She is a voluntary prostitute who enjoys her work. She says in one post that she fled window prostitution because there's lot of extortion out there, and she didn't feel comfortable there because she didn't have a pimp. She herself wasn't extorted but other girls were, so she left.

I asked her about the paradox that prostitutes have so different opinions about the clients. Her explanation was when a client says 'give me a blowjob slut' that it doesn't necessarily mean something negative. The difference is between the women, when women only do it for the money you could get problems like that (that women are shocked by the behaviour of the clients).

For me this turns everything on its head!!!! Should you visit prostitutes to insult and harass them? It is just masochism you know! Actually I completely understand it! Because one of my favorite sex phantasies is to be a woman and then to work in prostitution, where I am fucked and groped by all kinds of filthy construction workers who put their filthy fingers in my precious maidenly asshole!!! That really turns me on I feel so bad that I'm not a woman.

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Anyway, she also has anal sex every day with her clients and she explains how she solves problems with faeces: just do an enema every morning and standardly insert lubricant. She also has bowel problems because of the frequent enemas. She also has had STD's.

But what I found most interesting was a post about a Ukrainian woman she befriended who also is a victim of human trafficking. It tells us once again how strange the world of prostitution really really is. I translated it completely:

Victim of trafficking in women
Monday 3th, 2009

No, this is not about myself. I luckily have nothing to do with it. I am always as free as a bird. I didn’t start with loverboys, and I always only made money for myself. Nobody takes my money, only the Dutch state!

I got to know a woman who is involved in that. I shall call her N. She was very open on the internet-forum where I came in the past. I met her, and we sometimes drink coffee in the city core. She is very different than I am, but there immediately was a connection when we met each other. Whores among each other, at least we can talk freely.

N is very different than I am, she is a very perfect little doll. She is blond, and she is a chain smoker. She has a very sweet little voice, with which she can speak very good Dutch. She is only here for a couple of years, but her Dutch is actually very good. N is quite intelligent, sometimes she comes with a thought which suddenly bewilders me.

She is a tiny bit of a money-grubber. She is not very interested in the sex. I find it pleasant to work with sex, for her it doesn’t matter as long as she makes a lot of money. She allows basically everything. As long as it brings in money. I do wonder how you can work well with such an attitude. I couldn’t do that, because I have to feel nice with my work. She actually doesn’t like sex that much. If she had a boyfriend and didn’t do this work, she would have had enough with once a week.

N was a nurse in the past, when she still lived in the Ukraine. She didn’t earn enough with that, and she found and advertisement in the paper to be brought to the Netherlands. She says that you must be really stupid not to understand that it is about prostitution, and she doesn’t believe that there are girls who don’t expect it.

When she came here, it was with the Mafia. It sounded very scary to me, but she is not afraid of it. She has worked a lot here, and for low prices. A lot of money was deducted from that for her pimps, whom she calls “operator” ['exploitant' in Dutch]. She at least doesn’t pay taxes. That money was to pay off her journey to here. The pimps had arranged everything, with visas and the journey. To make sure that she stayed with them, they kept her passport. The journey was very expensive, thousands of Euros.

After working a while she heard from another woman who worked for a longer time, that her journey had already been paid off but she still kept on working like that. Then she understood that she never would make money for herself, and she had a row with her operator. He then reported her to the police, and she was deported from the country. I don’t understand precisely what happened then.

She almost immediately came back to the Netherlands again, but now with a different operator. To them she pays less than I do to the tax department. She still however works cheaper. For the money that she pays she is on a really cool website, and she works a tremendously lot.

Regarding condoms N is not very careful, she always gives blowjobs without condom, and she fucks without for an extra price. She does have STD every once in a while. I don’t want to take that risk, but she doesn’t bother about it, which I find incomprehensible. She mixes with her operators like an enormous slut. She lets herself be fucked for free by them, and she goes out with them. I find that not a very good business relationship. It is normal like that with this type of human trafficking.

It sounds very awful to me, with all that Mafia and that you are actually illegal. She finds that she knows what she is doing. She has experienced violence, but not that much. She doesn’t have fear for that, but it did impress her. She doesn’t like her previous operators at all, but when I say that she has to report them to the police, she says that she will be deported then.

According to her you can talk to the police if you are being caught. But you have to prevent that you will report [the traffickers] to the police, because then it becomes difficult to find a new operator. But if you admit that you are in women trafficking as a victim, then you get no after-tax, and then you are not deported! You only have to exaggerate about that you are forced.

It is difficult to follow for me how easy she is about the police, Mafia, STD, and all those nasty things. For her it is normal, and she finds that I have it easy as a Dutchwoman. She doesn’t understand that I pay taxes, because she wouldn’t. She would make the money go away, and adopt all the possibilities to try to get away from paying. She doesn’t find a police record as scary as I do!

We have had a very strange conversation about the operators, where N said that she was comfortable to go into human trafficking herself. It earns very well, and it isn’t very difficult according to her. She hates her operators, but she doesn’t mind becoming one herself. She would like to direct women, and collect a lot of money from that. I don’t understand that. I’d rather like to work very bourgeois in my little apartment.
UPDATE 1-1-2015: Now back to where I left off. I think that Zondares the prostitute doesn't exist after all. I made an elaborate search on hookers.nl, to try to find reviews about Zondares. Zondares claims herself that she has reviews on hookers.nl. She is very consistent about working in Amsterdam. I cannot link any prostitute in Amsterdam to Zondares. I know of two other persons who also desperately searched for Zondares. They both failed miserably. I also searched for advertisements. No results.

One of them proposed that perhaps Zondares had been unmasked before and decided to have her reviews removed. But I think this is not true. I have used the wayback machine to search for old reviews from years ago, and even then I failed.

Now, this client who says he had visited Zondares claims that Zondares doesn't work in Amsterdam! She doesn't even work in the province of Noord Holland according to him. But I have also searched throughout the whole of the Netherlands. There is indeed one prostitute who has some striking similarities with Zondares, who doesn't receive clients in Noord Holland, but actually far away from that province. They have the same working style and both women stop offering anal sex at points in time which are not too far apart from each other. Zondares claims in her blog post that she stopped with anal sex a while ago, but she waited to write about it on her blog because she wanted to prevent people from recognizing her. The prostitute stopped with anal sex roughly two years before Zondares makes mention of it.

Both Zondares and this woman do everything with condom, and they offered anal sex, which is really rare for prostitutes who receive clients in homes. Nearly all prostitutes who offer anal sex also offer oral sex without condom. There are more similarities. Both women scream out loud during sex, and both give dildo-shows to their clients. They both receive their clients in a room with a television which plays porn movies. Their ages also seem to match.

But this woman is actually of German descent, and Zondares claims that she is fully Dutch. There are more differences, this woman doesn't use professional photo's in her advertisements like Zondares says she does do, she doesn't seem to have a breast enlargement like Zondares says she has, she doesn't work fulltime, etc.....

The client who says he knows Zondares, said that he only later realized the prositute he was visiting was Zondares. At first she denied, but later he saw she wrote something on her blog about something they had discussed. And suddenly she admitted she was Zondares. I believed him at first. But after thinking longer and harder, I must conclude that this woman simply could have lied. He didn't double-check if she was really Zondares. He didn't for instance sent an email to the email-address Zondares uses. Furthermore, he told two stories of how he discovered Zondares. The other (earlier) story was that he researched it, he visited her, and promised her not to tell it to everyone. His earlier story suggests that he tried to find Zondares by reading reviews or looking at advertisements, and that he found her this way. This discrepancy suggests that he makes things up along the way.

An interesting point is that he also says Zondares does have reviews! But he says it is useless to search for her, because she twisted many things to make herself unrecognizable. He said the she can only be recognized by somebody who knows her. But I cannot really believe it. He says Zondares doesn't work in Noord Holland. But Zondares is actually very consistent about that she works in Amsterdam (in Noord Holland). For instance, one Amsterdam-based prostitute asked her about the situation in Amsterdam regarding the law, and Zondares answers as if she herself also works in Amsterdam. Zondares also mentions that Christian organizations who have a deal with the municipality - like the Scharlaken Koord - visit her! As far as I know the Scharlaken Koord only has such a deal with Amsterdam and Deventer. Which means that she works in Deventer (if the client is right that Zondares doesn't work in Noord Holland), but the prostitutes in Deventer are really different.

Now if it is true that Zondares twisted things to become unrecognizable, could it be true that she actually is the German woman? Perhaps Zondares is actually German, and she didn't have a breast-enlargement, and she doesn't work fulltime, etc..... There is one crucial reason why I believe this woman cannot be Zondares. Zondares wrote on a forum prior to starting her blog that she gave blowjobs without condom, because she would receive less clients otherwise. The German woman has 6 reviews on hookers.nl prior to Zondares making this surprise admission. None of the clients says she gave blowjobs without condom. I think that if Zondares is real that she doesn't lie about giving blowjobs without condom. Why would you lie about something you are ashamed of? Therefore I think Zondares is probably not the German woman. There is a possibility that Zondares coincidentally didn't receive 6 clients who wanted oral sex without condom, the probability is like 1 or 2 percent or so, not very large.

I don't blame people who believe Zondares is the real deal. What she tells is all very plausible. I surmise that the person who writes the blog could actually be an ex-prostitute. Perhaps she has really worked on de Wallen or in clubs as she has claimed. But then the blog is still a hoax in my opinion. The stories she tells about her clients could be true, but these could have happened decades ago. I think the prostitute in Amsterdam who receives clients in a little apartment doesn't exist.

Now the question is, who has actually written this blog? It could be the journalist Fleurtje van Schaik (which is actually a pseudonym). Other people before me have pointed out the striking similarities between Zondares and Fleurtje. The first person to do so is a former victim of forced prostitution who was once rewarded almost 1 million euro by the court, and who is often attacked by both Zondares and Fleurtje. Both Zondares and Fleurtje research pimps and the women who work for them, and both draw identical conclusions. I have written about these similarities in Dutch on the hookers.nl-forum here (using the name Kris2):

http://www.hookers.nl/showthread.php?t=278603&page=6

Fleurtje knows a lot about prostitution and prostitutes, and she has reportedly worked in prostitution herself. In the past, she has presented herself to several former victims of forced prostitution as a former victim herself. She said she was forced to work in prostitution herself in the period 1987-1990. She later retracted this claim and said that in her reality it was a female friend of hers who was forced to work in prostitution, and that she used her story to gain information from victim organizations and victims themselves.

Both Fleurtje and Zondares claim for instance that prostitutes who work for pimps are responsible for their own situation, and they both see a link between pimp-relationships and sadomasochism. They both say that pimps and prostitutes have a feeling of 'we against the world', that we should respect pimp-prostitute-relationships, that prostitutes can easily walk away from such a relationship if they wanted to, and they both claim to know of 'only' three forced prostitutes!!!! I could go on... but there are many similarities.

It could be true that they simply copy ideas from each other. But I find it striking that Zondares does her own research and then simply copies all her ideas from Fleurtje. Fleurtje has complained once that people are stealing her ideas, but she doesn't attack Zondares for doing so. What I also find strange is that Zondares is very scared of being discovered, but she indicates on her blog that she does show her face to (former) victims of pimps. Isn't she scared that these people reveal her identity? It is however known that Fleurtje shows up at meetings where former victims of pimps share their stories. I think this is what Zondares is talking about on her blog when she says she meets such women.

Furthermore Fleurtje is known for creating fake accounts on several forums in which she lets the fake characters speak with each other. She has supposedly admitted to one person that she created fake accounts on several SM-forums. And a moderator could supposedly determine that she was behind several accounts on the stoploverboys.nu-forum. So Fleurtje has a history with creating fake characters.

Ultimately the idea that Fleurtje is Zondares is merely a gut feeling. Zondares is notably absent on review sites for clients, no advertisement can be linked to her, and there is a woman lurking around who is known to work with sockpuppets, and who coincidentally (?) has almost exactly the same ideas as Zondares has. In my opinion the correlation between the ideas of these two persons is almost 100%. The ideas of Zondares are Fleur's ideas, and Fleur's ideas are Zondares' ideas. Sometimes I thought to have found a difference, but I was mistaken all the time.

There are some objections against the idea that Fleurtje is Zondares. Some people (like Bouche de la Loi or Natalya) seem to know Zondares personally. Don't they see that Fleurtje is Zondares, and reveal the hoax? Are they a part of the conspiracy? I think this could just be the case. Perhaps Fleur actually did the many things that Zondares claims to be doing, and I speculate that Bouche and Natalya accept her excuse that she actually stopped working in prostitution years ago because she wants to remain anonymous, and obfuscates some facts to do so, or something along the line. Another explanation is that Bouche and Natalya are also Fleur's literary creations.

And Fleur seems to be anonymously conversing with Zondares on Zondares' blog. Fleur talks about an episode when she was attacked on the street with a knife by her pimp. But Fleur is known to talk with herself on forums, so this doesn't surprise me.

And you might notice the difference in writing style between Zondares and Fleur. But I also don't see this as a problem. It turns out that most people can easily change their writing styles, to make it unrecognizable. People can even imitate other people's writing styles. (You can look on the internet for the report Adversarial Stylometry: Circumventing Authorship Recognition to Preserve Privacy and Anonymity, that is a report written by Brennan, Afroz, and Greendstadt by the way, published in 2012.) I'm even of the opinion that Zondares clearly doesn't write on her blog the way she normally does. She often peculiarly writes several words as one. She is doing it more and more often. I think she doesn't want people to recognize her real writing style.

Zondares and Fleur also seem to have different characters. Fleur becomes angry very quickly. Zondares is calmer. But I don't see this as a problem too. Fleur just lets her fictional character behave better than she herself would.

As far as I'm concerned, we got a hit. But I can never definitely proof it. Fleurtje herself denies it, and Zondares is locked behind proxy-servers. I think the only way we can know it for sure is when the real Zondares reveals herself and could prove that she actually is the person behind the blog.

There are other possibilities. I'm roughly 60% certain that Zondares is Fleur. I'm 30% certain that Zondares is not Fleur, but another ex-prostitute. I'm 10% certain that Zondares is a working prostitute who writes a blog about a fictitious prostitute. These are my rough guesses. I have made some mistakes already by wrongly identifying some persons on the internet as Fleur, but I was wrong in these cases, so .....

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3 comments:

Anonymous said...

Nice one. This is written by someone who knows herself, and without the "aid" of police or other organizations with an agenda. Where did you find this?

Donkey said...

Obviously on zondares.blogspot.com.

Anonymous said...

Really awesome post! Suddenly you can see the motives, people are three-dimensional. The statements by these ladies is something we hear too rarely. This makes sense.